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Lightnin



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Encoder question ? Reply with quote

Hi I'm a new guy to the forum, with of course a question Confused

I'm using simple cast with an alesis USB 8 mixer what would
be the encoder setting best for performing live on SL ?

Thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK ... tech guys ...  I'll throw out my simple answer and you can throw out the details ...

Hello Lightnin  Very Happy

The Encoder gets set to whatever the venue (or relay) server can handle best.  They should tell you.

Having said that, it also depends on how fast your machine is and how much loading is on the Shoutcast server ( related to number of listeners).

For under 12 listeners .. I run fine at 128Kb, 44.1k stereo.

If we have loading issues, I've gone as low as 64Kb, 44.1k stereo.

So, I think a general number 96Kb, 44.1 stereo is common.

what say you other guys?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends....

if you streaming guitar and voice, i would say you only need mono (although some who do this stream in stereo)

if you are using backing tracks, might want to stream in stereo.

then choose the highest bitrate that your set up can handle.  (things affecting this.. processor speed, amount of RAM, internet connection upload capacity, other software running on computer, etc)

Myself.. i stream at 128 kbps in mono (44.1 kHz).  (sounds kinda like this  http://www.norrisshepherd.com/music/NS_WhereAmIGoing_mar09.mp3  )  Others stream with higher settings...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ray Smile Thanks Norris Smile  that gives me a starting place.

Do you guys suggest anyplace friendly to go set it up for the
first time as a rehearsal run ?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you already have a stream?

If not.. someone would provbably let you use theirs to test it.  You don't even need to be in SL to test the stream, but it helps if you are looking for feedback from someone.

If you don't have land rights to set the stream in SL, you can always get someone to listen in via MediaPlayer, Winamp, etc...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norris Shepherd wrote:
do you already have a stream?

If not.. someone would provbably let you use theirs to test it.  You don't even need to be in SL to test the stream, but it helps if you are looking for feedback from someone.

If you don't have land rights to set the stream in SL, you can always get someone to listen in via MediaPlayer, Winamp, etc...


No I don't have my own stream Norris Crying or Very sad so I'll have to
find someoen who will let me use theirs Cool

I've been playing local clubs for years, I'm getting the feeling this
is similar to PA situations, perhaps club has better PA or best is always
to have your own quality gear.

I've been looking into this for all of 3 days  Laughing
hopefully I'll catch on quick Smile

I really apreciate you help and input Norris !!  Cool cool of ya
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Simplecast and I have Alesis 8 USB mixer. I always use 96kb 44.1 stereo. I have never ever had complaints about the quality of my sound. Indeed, the amazing Nad Gough reckons I get a very good acoustic guitar sound streaming up at my shows. Of course, that is not all down to the Alesis and Simplecast. But my point is, you have good stuff going for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a stream from Ed Lowell's Stream Team.  $5155L a month but it's never failed and support is excellent.  It's always good to have your own stream even if it's just as a fallback.

If you need to know if a PC or a Mac is better for streaming, ask someone with a PC how long it took to get set up versus how long it took to set up the Mac.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Lightnin ..  you can use my stream to test if you want.  Just send me an IM inworld and I'll pass it to you.

There's all kinds of streams available inworld, and the rental prices have come down quite a bit over the past 2 years.  Send me an IM and I'll give you the details.
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ticious



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently rented one from Tammy Toll of Toll Entertainment for L$1200 per month (max listeners 100) but had to let it go because it had a hard max of 128kps and some musicians were streaming over that rate.  When they did so, I'd be out of biz until the vendor could reset it.  She was great and always did within 10 - 30 minutes, but that was long enough for me to lose my audience.

Since I can't control the rate at which all the musicians stream at my venue, I had to revert to Jamie Otis's stream at L$4000 per month, but I've used that stream with no problems for over two years.  But for you own personal stream where you CAN control the bit rate, there are a lot of really inexpensive alternatives out there.  

I recommend you shop around and get references as service and quality are obviously gonna vary with the price.  And be sure you're not paying for features you don't need.  I talked to one musician who was paying L$8000 per month.  The reason for extra cost was some added feature (I don't recall what it was) that she had absolutely no need of.
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