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Doubledown Tandino



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject: Q and A : The Poor Man's Copyright Reply with quote

Q and A: The Poor Man's Copyright

Poor Man's Copyright

Q: My friend and I have a bet. I say mailing myself a copy of my songs is a valid copyright. He says it's not. Who's right?

A: Start writing the check; your friend is right, and mailing yourself a copy of your songs is not valid legal protection against copyright infringement.

READ MORE HERE:
http://djdoubledown.blogspot.com/2009/05/q-poor-man-copyright.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey DD.  Could you do us all a favor and just copy/paste the info here instead of dragging folks over to your blog?  This looks a little like one of those 'hooks' my email provider makes me look at in an effort to drag me off someplace where they can up web hits and their advertising fees when all I really wanna do is read my email.

Btw, your blog is a great blog, well worth perusal by any folks who care to hop over there.  But you have the link in your signature, that gives them enough opportunity to hop over there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, um no.

i'm not copying and pasting my info from my blog for your forum tiscious.

I write my blog for a reason.

the fact that you don't want external links on your forum is ridiculous. I'm right here ready to have a conversation about what I posted right here. But no, I'm not copying and pasting my formatted blogposts with pictures and links onto your forum here each time.

wonder if we'll get to talk about copyrights?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I prefer links to articles instead of long postings with the text of an article.

The copyright issue is an interesting one, though. What would happen if all those musicians who do cover versions of well-known songs would have to pay their dues to the authors of those songs?

Now that the Lab has declared SL live music as a "killer app", the days of merrily strumming along with not a cloud in the sky might very well be numbered.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, it's not my forum.

Yes, you write a blog for a reason, and it's a damn good blog and one I highly recommend to people.

But we (meaning me, Slim and supposedly you, since you ARE still an admin here) maintain this forum for a different reason.  It's not intended as an ongoing conversation, like a blog, it's intended to be more like a library, a standing source of information.

These are two different goals, both of which are good and important for the growth of music in SL.  

I'm not objecting to external links.  As I clearly said in my pm to you, the occasion external link, where it leads to a substantial amount of info and helps the flow of information is completely acceptable and very welcome here in the forum.  

But lets not be coy here, DD.  You came here this morning and spammed this forum with links to your blog.  You didn't' come here to share information (which is what this forum is for).  You came here for the sole purpose of advertising your blog and upping your link count for the search engines.  

Proof?  Your recent posting history here is proof enough.

This morning alone:

1)  This post which leads to a whopping one additional paragraph on the subject on your blog.  Clearly a hook to pull readers over to your blog rather an attempt to share info.

2) In the daily posters club:
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
This is definitely by far the fattiest packed killer superthread.

epicwin

3)  In Jura's June issue announcement thread:
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
great article, good read

4)  In Slim's Metajams announcement thread:
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
Yeah slim is a hottie

5)  In the Rocking the MetaVerse announcement thread:
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
AWESOME!!!!

Metaplace ! TOMORROW!

6) In the Metaverse article thread:
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
BOOM!!

MORE coverage:

http://djdoubledown.blogspot.com/...h/label/Rocking%20The%20Metaverse

7)  Your own thread with the link to the Scoutlounge article on you:
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
Doubledown Tandino - Scoutlounge Interview

http://scoutlounge.net/index.php?...p;catid=2:portraits&Itemid=51

8  In your own thread announcing an article on your blog.  BTW, this one, I would have been completely cool with.
Doubledown Tandino wrote:
Second Life Music can Equal Success and Profit

Part 1: Possible Goals
http://djdoubledown.blogspot.com/...-music-can-equal-success-and.html

(Part 2 will organize the roles of each person involved in a successful and profitable live music production. Part 3 will discuss possible avenues and approaches to making more profit from an inworld music event.)




That's not an occasional link and it's not an attempt to share info.  That's spamming the forum with links to your blog (keeping in mind that every post also includes the link in your sig) to pull readers and up your position on the search engines.  And frankly, it offends me that you use the forum for your own goals when this forum runs on nothing but Slim's money and my time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hexx wrote:
Personally, I prefer links to articles instead of long postings with the text of an article.

. . . .


When it's a long and in depth article, I completely agree.  This is not a long and in depth article.  It is one paragraph.  Personally, while I prefer to hopping a link over a long post I also prefer a short post over hopping a lnk.

If your desire was to discuss copy rights (something that's been discussed repeatedly here in the forum, is there some new development in the ares?) that would have been better served by copying (or retyping if it's too highly formatted) that one paragraph, which has no pictures and only one link, over to here.  As I said before, lets not be coy.  If this were the first time you'd done this, I'd say cool.  It's not the first time you've done this.  It's all you do here anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hexx wrote:

The copyright issue is an interesting one, though. What would happen if all those musicians who do cover versions of well-known songs would have to pay their dues to the authors of those songs?

Now that the Lab has declared SL live music as a "killer app", the days of merrily strumming along with not a cloud in the sky might very well be numbered.


I wouldnt do anything and i sure aint gonna pay for it Smile
I said it before ( last year when the same subjct came up ) and will say it again, they can sue me, i hope they do Smile

It would be awesome promotion,

SL musician gets his ass kicked because he plays covers and doesnt earn a dime on it

You cant have better promotion then this Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the copyright people care whether or not you make a dime, Sound.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that here in England sending yourself a sealed and dated envelope by recorded delivery containing the recording(s) is the bare minimum of proof of ownership of the copyright. Then there's things like getting registered with the PRS and other mechanical copyright societies. Beyond that you're probably dealing with publishers and lawyers. At which point I'm out of my depth.

Suffice to say that if you've got a date-stamped recording or score of your work that should be sufficient proof in a court of law. If in doubt consult the local branch of your musicians' union.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hexx wrote:
I don't think the copyright people care whether or not you make a dime, Sound.


true, but i dont care for them either Smile
it sounds harsh offcourse

but i dont see any arm in anyone playing a cover for about maybe
( if your lucky ) 50 people a week.

( offcourse selling a cover and stuff like that is something else )

I really dont think that Gary Moore, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani etc.etc.
are sleeping less because some dude on SL plays there songs
Its not that we reach thousends of people and spreading it all over the place reducing their main source of income

They might sue to make a statement or something or to protect theirselfs
like Prince did with the youtube video

Their was a video posted by a mom who filmed her little daughter dancing, the clip was maybe 30 seconds or so and a prince tune played way in the back, offcourse he had it removed LOL

"omg people dance to my music and have fun while listening, remove that video, we cant have that"

I see why he did it, im not stupid offcourse
but if he wants to sue me because i play Purple Rain and maybe 100 people have heard it in the last months then be my guest .....
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