Zak Claxton
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Anyone upgrading to Leopard?More importantly, anyone have any idea about SL compatibility with Leopard?
I never, ever change operating systems the moment they become available. Too much can go wrong. Let someone else do the testing, know what I mean?
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Silas Scarborough
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I'm interested in upgrading but not burning a path to the Apple store. My favorite recent O.S. change was the implementation of widgets. Was that a life-changing event or what? The best thing I hear about Leopard is speed increases all over the place so, yeah, I'll upgrade fairly soon.
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Zak Claxton
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Silas, you'll likely upgrade way before me (because I am what they call in technical terms a pussy). Please do let me know what you think after you get it.
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Mambo
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Im going home via the Apple store tonight to pick up a copy, I plan to install either on my laptop first , or as a fresh install on the 2nd drive of G5.
My main worry is Ninjam not working ..
will report back soon , lol
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KTravanti
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I agree with you there Zak... why they keep messing with a good thing is beyond my comprehension!
KT
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Zak Claxton
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| KTravanti wrote: | | I agree with you there Zak... why they keep messing with a good thing is beyond my comprehension! |
Kori, I'm all for continuing to improve a product, and if there are real advantages to Leopard, I'll be all over it. However, if it's a pain in the ass in that it lacks compatibility or performance enhancements, it's just not worth it for a few cute features.
Keeping my eyes (and mind) open, though. 
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Mambo
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as far a i know the only major app that has problems is FileMaker Pro, I have been to the apple store and now in possession of Leopard , i just got to be brave enough to open the box...
after rehearsal probably.
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Zak Claxton
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Good luck Mambo! Keep us abreast of the situation.
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ka-klick
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I have not yet, but I am in the throws of purchasing a new Xserve fro work, and will be putting 10.5 Server on it - been waiting this purchase on that. I'll also be upgrading my work laptop, but may be holding off a bit on this one for my SL/Perfoormance rig.
NiceCast has a beta quality Leopard compatible version, and I'd rather wait for full release on that, since it's critical.
GB should certainly be OK, since I'm on GB4 from iLife '08
SL I've heard very mixed things about.
There are some great things (especially under the hood) in 10.5 but it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
One word of caution, the APE framework, which is installed to hook into the OS at a low level can make an upgrade install go belly up if it's an older version. Apparently older Logitech "driver" software is one 3rd party who used the APE framework to make their fancy stuff work - I think on all my machines (and I use Logitech mice on all of them) I've just left the original system driver to handle the mouse. An archive and install or a "clean" install is reported to be fine.
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Mambo
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ok it took two day before i was brave enough to open the box and install it on the mac, as yet i have only installed ilife and secondlife.
SL seem to work as 'well' as it ever has  to me it seem the graphics run a bit smoother, but that might be because i haven bogged down the system yet with other stuff.
Ninjam booted ok, but i hadn't set up the port on the firewall, so didnt connect to the server , i will try it in the week. and nicecast when i get a chance.
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Morris Dawes
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Leopard and New MacBook a "no go" for Second LifeHi folks,
I'm not sure if it's Leopard it self or not, but I bought a new MacBook this week for my wife. Second Life crashes the whole computer (I have to re-start the whole machine) after I log-in and begin to see SL begin to draw it self in aabout 5-10 seconds the computer comes to a total freeze.
I wonder if SL just does not work with Leopard
OR
Is it a problem with the graphics card in the new MacBook which other wise seems to be working well with everything else. So far the MacBook seems to be a wonderful machine, super fast and the graphics are really clean.
I love Leopard...
My personal Mac (iMac G5) runs OSX 10.3.9 and runs SL no problem.
Any ideas?
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Zak Claxton
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Well, I can tell you right now that my mostly brand new MacBook Pro runs SL just fine using 10.4.1, so it's not the computer/graphics card.
But I've heard from other folks running SL with Leopard, so I don't know what to tell you there.
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ka-klick
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Re: Leopard and New MacBook a "no go" for Second L | Morris Dawes wrote: | Hi folks,
I'm not sure if it's Leopard it self or not, but I bought a new MacBook this week for my wife. Second Life crashes the whole computer (I have to re-start the whole machine) after I log-in and begin to see SL begin to draw it self in aabout 5-10 seconds the computer comes to a total freeze.
I wonder if SL just does not work with Leopard
OR
Is it a problem with the graphics card in the new MacBook which other wise seems to be working well with everything else. So far the MacBook seems to be a wonderful machine, super fast and the graphics are really clean.
I love Leopard...
My personal Mac (iMac G5) runs OSX 10.3.9 and runs SL no problem.
Any ideas? |
The word "Pro" is conspicuously absent in your ref to the new laptop. In this case there is an important distinction, in that the plain MacBook line (not the MacBook Pro line) only has built in intel video that uses shared system ram as vram - it is not (to my knowledge) a supported configuration for SL. The "Pro" line have real dedicated vram on thier nVidia or ATI chipset adapters.
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Zak Claxton
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Re: Leopard and New MacBook a "no go" for Second L | ka-klick wrote: | | The word "Pro" is conspicuously absent in your ref to the new laptop. |
Ah... a huge distinction indeed. Missed that at first read.
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Morris Dawes
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Re: Leopard and New MacBook a "no go" for Second L[quote="ka-klick"] | Morris Dawes wrote: | Hi folks,
The word "Pro" is conspicuously absent in your ref to the new laptop. In this case there is an important distinction, in that the plain MacBook line (not the MacBook Pro line) only has built in intel video that uses shared system ram as vram - it is not (to my knowledge) a supported configuration for SL. The "Pro" line have real dedicated vram on thier nVidia or ATI chipset adapters. |
Ah.......the graphics card in my wife's MacBook is not supported. OK..well that explains it.
You know the funny thing is......I've used SL on maybe 6 different computers mostly Macs but a couple of them were Wndows. I've never seen SL load faster or look better than it does on the new MacBook. Too bad that after a few seconds it makes the MacBook Freeze. : (
Oh well........my wife uses it for other things anyway. I've got my iMac G5 that is about 4 years old but runs SL just fine. I do wonder if at some point SL might support the graphics card on the MacBook? I have 4 friends that have them. They are musicians that tour the country in bands. They love them becuase they run Pro Tools and Logic quite well. Hopefully enough MacBooks will get sold so that SL will start to make them work.
Thanks.
Morris
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ka-klick
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Re: Leopard and New MacBook a "no go" for Second L | Morris Dawes wrote: | Ah.......the graphics card in my wife's MacBook is not supported. OK..well that explains it.
You know the funny thing is......I've used SL on maybe 6 different computers mostly Macs but a couple of them were Wndows. I've never seen SL load faster or look better than it does on the new MacBook. Too bad that after a few seconds it makes the MacBook Freeze. : (
Oh well........my wife uses it for other things anyway. I've got my iMac G5 that is about 4 years old but runs SL just fine. I do wonder if at some point SL might support the graphics card on the MacBook? I have 4 friends that have them. They are musicians that tour the country in bands. They love them becuase they run Pro Tools and Logic quite well. Hopefully enough MacBooks will get sold so that SL will start to make them work.
Thanks.
Morris |
The problem is that it's one of those "built-in" type cards that uses regular system RAM for it's video memory, which I think may be the bottleneck and probably the reason they don't support it. Intel graphics are all over the place in the PC world already, so I don't think it's a market share issue. I didn't see how much system RAM you had, but it might help to really bump it up. You can also lie to SL (downward) about the amount of VRAM you have in preferences. Try stepping down through those choices and see if it helps. I've seen SL work on a first rev Intel mini before, for a decent period of time, so it's possible to use the chipset, but don't expect breathtaking performance or support. It really might well all be fine if you just crank all the settings down to a level that won't tax it much, and max out your system RAM as much as you can.
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Morris Dawes
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Great idea. I'll try messing around more with the SL preferences to see if I can make ith work with the macbook.
The MacBook has 2gb of ram built in. Maybe more would help but for everything else (GarageBand, Logic, Ableton Live), the 2gb of ram seems to be plenty so far.
I'll try and mess around with SL to see if I can slow it down a bit.
Thanks
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Zak Claxton
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Back to topic: I made the move to Leopard, and I'm really loving it so far. The reason I upgraded had nothing to do with SL; rather, I just got Adobe Creative Suite 3 for my real job (marketing/advertising/web design/etc.) and it's optimized to run under Leopard.
But of course, one of the first things I did after installing and updating it on my 2.4GHz MBP was to try SL. My first impression is that SL seems to run really well under Leopard... much better than 10.3 or 10.4. Textures rendered quickly, movement was smooth, and I did a few things that tended to crash me before... some fast zooming around, multiple quick TPs, and more -- and it was fine.
So, thumbs up (so far) for Leopard and SL!
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