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| elvisduffy |
How much to tip?I've been tipping 100 Lindens which I'm guessing in about 40 cents. That's got me wondering what's cheap, what's generous and what's normal? Any tip is good, right? But I don't want to insult ppl.btw in RL I've stopped tipping Starbucks my change. That same $ might be more appreciated in SL. The cause is better imho. |
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| Zak Claxton |
Re: How much to tip?
All new folks go through this thought process. 1. Tip an amount that you're comfortable with. 2. L$100 isn't a bad tip, ESPECIALLY for a relative new person like you. No one's going to be insulted by that. I often get L$20 (i.e., like $0.08 ) from new people, and that's fine. 3. After you start performing, you'll probably note that we musicians tend to tip each other well, or at least better than the average audience member. My typical tips are between L$200-$400 for the performer, and L$200-$300 for the venue. I'd probably tip more, but I see a lot of shows and I need to spread the wealth. 
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| Sally Silvera |
Elvis,
Yeah, what Zak said. I'll add a couple of things as a pure listener.... In my case my tips might also depend on whether I see a particular performer regularly or rarely. So peeps I don't see play often will get a bigger tip on those occasions than musicians I see on a regular basis. Same goes for venues btw. I always hope folks kinda understand that one. 
Also, like Zak, I have to spread it out a bit, given the sheer number of shows I see. I guess I figure somewhere along the line in due course over time and eventually I'll prolly have tipped each and everyone a reasonable amount. 
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| ticious |
I have folks who come to every show and tip my venue 50L every time (sometimes multiple times when they stay for multiple performers). Over the course of a month, it adds up. Nothing cheap about it. Any tip (especially to the venue, whom so many folks forget) is a great tip!!
But as for average? For a venue, at least my venues, it seems to be in the 100L to 500L range. And yeppers, the best tips come from musicians and other venue owners. My Starbuck's change has been going into SL tips for a while now 
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?
I tend to have very generous listeners, but I'm always as happy to get L$10 as I am L$100 or even L$1000. As for what I tip when I go out, it always varies, from nothing if the act is frankly terrible, or very generous if they knock me out. Same for the club. If they book somebody I find hard to listen to, I'm not tipping them much if anything at that particular show. If I love the act, I'll tend to be equally generous to the venue. |
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| ticious |
Re: How much to tip?[quote="vonjohin"]
Do you consider the quality of the work of the venue staff or only the quality of the act they're booking? Just curious. I mean if the staff are surly, the place is ugly and laggy are you still generous? Flip side, if the staff are friendly and the environment is comfortable and fun, does that have any impact on how much you tip the venue? This goes to my whole thing about tip splitting . . . . I always figured the audience might want to tip the artist based on their quality AND then venue based on its quality. If I'm mistaken about that, I'll have to rethink my whole position on tip splitting.
Edited to add, and maybe on auto greeters also . . . |
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| BabbleGrabble |
Provided I can actually make it to a show and give it the full attention it deserves, I might tip a couple hundred Linden at a time, to spread it out over the show so that I can tip multiple times, both to the performer and to the venue; however, I hardly ever seem able to make it to a show for more than 10 minutes, so I don't go too often. For shorter durations, I've become a fan of tipping 333, thanks to Zak.
It might be cliché, but I still get a kick out of receiving multiple tips of 69. |
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| Sally Silvera |
Re: How much to tip?[quote="ticious"]
Yes. ......well, me anyways
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?The quality of their work is directly tied to their judgment in booking an act, isn't it? I don't care how nice the venue is and the staff are, if they book somebody who makes my ears cry, then personally, no I'm not laying out a big tip to show what a great time I had. Book a great show that I enjoy, I'll tip the venue and the performer pretty equally.Quite honestly, the demeanor of the staff, etc. has little bearing on how I tip a venue unless they make themselves outright surly. But if the venue books crap, they shouldn't expect to get tips because they were nice and the place was easy on the eyes. I tip the venue to support their efforts to bring quality music to the service that people enjoy. In the same way I won't tip an act I don't enjoy, I in turn won't tip that venue in the same show. If come back to that venue and they have booked an act I'm loving, I'll be tipping out accordingly. Seems simple enough to me. [quote="ticious"]
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| EvaMoon |
There is no tip that I would consider offensive. You really don't have any idea what someone's personal situation is. A $10L tip could be a much bigger percentage of someone's hard earned stash than a $500L tip from someone else.
Does someone have change for a Linden? |
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| Zak Claxton |
People think I'm generous, but I'm just lazy (it's easy hitting those 3's a few times, requiring little thought and even less effort). 
One of the many reasons I look forward to seeing Fable in my crowd.
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| BabbleGrabble |
I thought you were saying "lots of love" ... you know, the heart thing? <333 LOL
That's precisely who I had in mind, too - LOL |
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| Tessira2 |
Re: How much to tip?At first, I used to go to shows based on WHO was playing. I still do to a point, but WHERE they are playing makes a big difference to me also. I tend to tip the venue the same or more than the artist. I do agree if the music is awful, I'm outta there with no tip regardless of how pretty and friendly the place is. Although, if I'm having a great time at a venue, I'll stay through a mediocre show.I tip anywhere from 50L - 1000L 100-250 is my average/good. I'm starting to prefer to buy a song as a 'tip' from the myPod owners. The 1k tip is for one spectacular show, or a bribe for a yodel from Montian. Dang, that boy can yodel! 
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| Tommy CUlt |
It amazes me that I get tips at all lol. That said, I now feel a lil uneasy about playing at a cool venue with nice hosts, because I would hate them to be NOT tipped for putting on say - and open mic event for those unworthy amatures like myself fumbling through our sets - and being penalised for doing so!
Tipping and the value of tipping is going to vary as much as the performers in SL. Often I tip the venue before the performer, and alot of the time tip the venue more than the performer - ESPECIALLY when the person playing is a polished professional - that I know is getting between 5k and 10k to be there in the first place. No matter how 'good' they are, they already have a pretty nice payment coming their way - so for me the venue is the priority not the performer. Something that I am sure people outside of the USA have noticed, is that the more the USD is devalued against other currencies the less a linden is worth anyway. This may not be an issue for those in the USA (except they are paying alot more for imported goods in RL so....up goes the price of your strings and picks and guitars etc etc) but if the trend continues, a linden may well be worth more than a USD  (and yes my tongue is in my cheek )
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| ticious |
This is SO true and there are always going to be people can't afford to tip, don't see a reason to tip, don't see a need to tip (hey, it's free ain't it?) or have a code for tipping that relates to stuff they personally feel. And that's all okay. Well, except for the 'hey, it's free ain't it?' but I think we've made excellent progress there these past months and are continuing to do so. So I think the answer to Elvis' original question is this: tipping is a very personal choice and is based on your very personal situation and feelings. So it's totally up to you. You've heard a lot of numbers here, but it's still true that more than half the audience doesn't tip at all and all of them are just as welcome at the show as the folks who tip. |
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| elvisduffy |
I'm just a good ole boy so sometimes I haven't been able to locate the venue tipping jar. I figure on looking for it when I come back. But then I haven't figured out how to find or use landmarks to come back to the venue yet either.
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| Tommy CUlt |
Sounds to me like a case of....Elvis has left the building, but....cant seem to find his way back in
Elvis, you will pick up all those things - one thing for sure, there are alot of people happy to help with the basics - all of us have gone through the newbie stage (pronounced gnubie apparently lol) at one point, so when in doubt - shout...someone will be sure to help out! (hmmm.....might be a good line for a tune  )
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| Bourque Rau |
Tommy I've heard ya and was HAPPY to tip ya, your songs were quite cool. my tipping has evolved as I learned more about the logistics/economics of SL Live music, I usually tip both the performer and the venue the same, either $100L or $200L depending on my RL work schedule (freelance, so no work = no $ which translates into less $L). I will also tip the performer again if he/she totally ROCKS a special song, or does a request for me.
I did want to address Tommy's thoughts tho. Like Von, I prob won't tip as much for a performance that doesn't appeal to me, either because the genre is not my taste or the performer doesn't inspire me. BUT ... unlike most of you I am NOT a musician, so everyone who plays live in SL is more talented than I am musically, and I have no frame of reference to how scary, how much prep time involved, what the personal motivations are that lead folks to play in SL. If I go hear folks who are just starting to play in SL, or who play quite sporadically and thus may not be as polished or have the mechanics down to a science YET ... as they prob will as they become more comfortable ... unless they just hurt my ears ... or my dogs start howling! ... I tend to be a bit more generous in tipping the first few times I see them because ... I see that as a role I can play in SL as a non musician to help the SL Live music scene thrive ... to encourage the new artists and the less frequently playing artists that we DO want to hear them and truly APPRECIATE their time, talent, and passion. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
I haven't read some of this thread.... but I base my tips on how much I made for the day in SL. Basically, my shop sales pay for the land its on, the advertising, and then the rest of that money is usually tips to performers and venues. So it depends on what my lindens are for the day.... I usually don't base my tip on specifically how good a song was performed....
I'd say about 6 months ago I was able to hit about 10-20 shows a week and tip approx $500L-1000L at each spot (tipping the venue, host, and performer) ..... currently I'm usually tipping about $200- $400L per show. Sales are down a little, and there's more shows to see and venues to go to. .... so, I'm spending about $5000L-$10000L a week in general live music tippage... but sometimes its small amounts over alot of spots. and sometimes its larger amounts at less spots. .... ...but the actual music never really changes my tip... it's more the person, and me giving a general 'keep doin what you're doin' tip. |
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| Jojamela Soon |
Re: How much to tip?
I think quality is in the ears of the beholder and everyone is entitled to their own tastes, for example, Janice Joplin- husband hates her, makes his ears cry, I love her and could listen all day. So if she were still alive and I booked her at my theater, and because he doesn't like her, I guess I just have poor judgment because I don't live up to what his ears like? edited to add: but that's ok, my husband never tips me anyway
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| Zak Claxton |
Re: How much to tip?
Absolutely! And even if everyone else is raving about a particular performer (RL, SL, or otherwise), that's no reason YOU have to like that person, or not like that person as the case may be. The question is whether your tip amounts change based on how much you're enjoying the performance, and I have to admit: mine do. If I'm at a show and someone just slays me with how good they are, or how much I enjoy the songs being performed, or whatever, I do tip more. Venues get a bit of the same treatment. If I go somewhere and am treated nicely by the venue owners, I tend to remember to tip the venue jar well. If I get there and am ignored, I often ignore in return. |
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| Bibi Ballinger |
I'm with Bourque on encouraging new artists. I have seen most of you improve over time! Putting out that initial investment to begin playing in SL has got to be painful. In doing so, new musicians like Elvis are making a commitment to become part of SL music. That means doing the homework and working to imporve day by day. That passion blows me away!
Elvis, until you have a paying membership or are making money, spend your money on getting yourself up and running. A year ago I was tipping, $5. 10. or $20. and was never treated any differently or thanked any less than today. I am around $100. right now for venue , artist and sometimes host. If I start making a SL living, I will give more. |
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| BabbleGrabble |
I certainly hope the tipping thing doesn't turn people away from shows. I remember not wanting to go to shows initially when I had zero lindens - felt guilty about not being able to tip, but everyone understands. Tipping is all relative and subject to so many factors ... I'm mostly happy to see people at shows enjoying the music.
The figures I wrote about before are based on what I'm now comfortable with - when I had nothing, a very good friend lent me L$1000 so I'd feel okay about going to a show so I could tip ... in retrospect, I have no idea what I was so concerned about. Everyone has been there and understands - don't tip or tip what you can, but don't let it be a burden. It all works out down the road. |
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| Jambalaya |
Me, I try to tip in the hundred L range - sometimes it's a couple, sometimes I hit 'em more than once, but sometimes I'm just broke & go to hang out. I'm not in SL every day anyway, so I don't think I'm making a big impact one way or the other.
For me, though, it's purely situational. I haven't performed in awhile, so all my Lindens are out of pocket - and the way things are economically, it's a really hard choice for me to justify spending $4.08 for some Lindens when I'm counting pennies for bills, food, etc. As for the venues - I have no hard and fast rule about not tipping a venue because of a performer, or vice-versa. It wouldn't seem fair to not tip a good player because the venue sucked, so I don't think I should hold somebody's sucky performance against the venue. In reality though, mosy likely I won't be staying for said performance - so naturally I won't be tipping anyone. |
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| Zak Claxton |
Oh, of course not. They're totally independent. I've been to really cool, friendly venues who happen to have crappy artists that night, and seen great shows at venues that were pretty bad. Two different things entirely. |
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| Nad |
I usually tip $1L to $5L (if they or the venue really rocks). People usually (almost always and stuff) tip me about $15kL. It's not enough. *hair toss* I has a lotta Red Bull to buy. I set my payment dialog to have buttons for 25K - 50k - 75k and 100k so as to let ppl know what is acceptable. The default dialog is so weak, ya know? Any less and I aks the venue owner to toss em out - they are obviously griefing me. | ||||||||||
| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?Jo, do you not agree that the quality of the act booked reflects the judgment of the venue operator?People will tend to judge your ability as a venue manager by their personal, subjective, perceived quality of the acts you bring to them to listen to, and that's just how it goes. Stone cold reality. Besides, I'll say it. Others have said it here before me, too. I'm talking about amateurish mediocrity and plain old fashioned bad shows that in the old days would have found a hook pulling them from the stage, not simple "I don't like the style of that singer." I'm talking just plain sucks and not "I don't like that style of music" I'm talking about can't hit a note on pitch to save their lives or can't play their instrument, plays it out of tune and never fixes it, and plays out of time/sync, in general just sucks in my opinion. Sorry, I'm not tipping the venue or the "artist" if that happens. In that instance, Jojamela, indeed, the quality of their work is directly tied to the judgment of the venue owner for booking them and in those cases I ain't tipping anyone. Do you book acts that fit that bill?
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| Zak Claxton |
Re: How much to tip?
I'm not Jo, but I do disagree. I treat the artist and venue as separate entities entirely. |
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?Okey dokey. I don't. If the venue doesn't take the time to make sure they bring a quality show to people to listen to, they don't deserve my tip. When they bring in somebody awesome, I tip generously. Ain't rocket science.
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| Zak Claxton |
Re: How much to tip?
Ah, Grasshopper, you are making an error of logic. The venue might not share the same tastes as you. Let's say they brought in a future Bob Dylan... crappy, nasal voice, out of tune guitar, but wonderful and poetic lyrics. That might be the best thing EVER for some people, but not for you. If it's an otherwise good experience... nice people at the venue, pretty design of the build, greet you and make you feel comfortable there... why not tip the venue anyway? Maybe the venue thinks it's doing the right thing, but just because it doesn't float your boat doesn't mean they should suffer. With me?
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| ticious |
Von, I would assume if you found the performer that objectionable, you would spend less then about three minutes at the show before poofing out. I wouldn't expect someone who spent that short of a time at my venue to tip, so maybe I actually am with you, I dunno.
But don't be so quick to judge the judgment of the venue owner. I book the acts my fans wanna hear as well as acts I personally enjoy (yes, some venues have their own set of fans ). But if you come to my place and you don't like the show, I don't really expect ya to hang out for the venue with your sound turned off. By all means, poof out to a show you'll enjoy (that's what I do, well, not when the show's at my venue, but you get my point, I'm sure) and don't feel obliged to tip either me or the musician. But I do hope you'll come back for a different act at a different time.
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| Bibi Ballinger |
Crikey! This is our community, not a courtroom. Artists and venues are not always going to be top drawer! Let's support each other to learn and get better. Most of us have not had successful music careers or ever owned a venue in real life. I have only been here a year and a half, and I am amazed how much better it is in that length of time. Everyone has to help through encouragement and support. Isn't that why we have this forum?? | ||||||||||
| elvisduffy |
Bibi, you are a true nurturer. Many blessings to you. | ||||||||||
| vonjohin |
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?No, Kane. Not with you at all. Your "future Dylan" is a red herring to my example, which was pretty clear. We just disagree. I'm not hanging out at a venue where I have to keep the sound turned off for very long. When I hang out and enjoy the show, I'll tip, otherwise. nope. Feel free to do it as you like.For the record, Dylan is not an out of tune singer nor have I ever heard his guitar out of tune. And you and I both know I'm not talking about stylistic performances, Zak.
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| Silas Scarborough |
Hell yes, that's how you do it. Give me some linden lovin' or I'm going to publicly humiliate your cheap ass. I'm feelin' the love, bro! |
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| Jojamela Soon |
Re: How much to tip?
Guess I do Von, I'm sure I've booked artists that people don't like, but you know, they have a wonderful rapport with their audiences, they have their fans, they're a lot of fun, and that's what this is all about. SL is not perfect, people are not perfect and people deserve a chance. There are a lot of musicians out there, and like Tish I play the ones I like and the ones that my people like. And like Tish I don't expect everyone to like what I or my group want to hear and I've had people pop out of my concerts 2 minutes after arriving, I've done it myself.... I guess my problem with your original post is that I find it insulting to have my judgment called into question because some people may not like a particular act that I book. People tip me as they will and I'm happy with that. I've been open for a year now, I haven't gone broke, I haven't shut down, I have people IMing me all day asking to play, I'm picky about who I play because I do take into consideration my taste and the tastes of my group. I don't pay much, but I bust my ass to make people comfortable and to make it fun. |
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| Zak Claxton |
Re: How much to tip?
Oh, hell no. You don't have to hang out there. If you don't like the music, fly away, or walk away, or TP away. Just slip out the back, Jack.
This thread is only about tipping, and my only point is that you can't make that big of an association between the venue and the artist. Someday in SL, you will, because there will be 1,000+ artists to choose from. But with the 100 of us or so that play regularly, you can't hold the venue to the fire because they brought in an artist you don't dig. Or, actually, you can. I don't, but you can. It's a free country- er, grid.
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?Now Jo, you don't think I directed an insulting comment to you personally, do you? Really? Come on. Maybe you're reading way too much into what I said and personalizing it. I'm hoping I don't get an post now from some knight in white satin lancing me for insulting you and Ticious, when I've not done anything of the sort.People will judge you and your venue on the acts you are booking. You do it yourself in real life, everyone does. If you find that insulting, I'm sorry. I think its the reality of how the real world and the virtual world is and how it works. We are known by the company we keep. Venues are known by the acts they book, and in turn, their management is judged that way by the public. Good, bad or indifferent. No reason to find human nature insulting. |
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?That's right, this thread is about tipping. And all I have said is that ON THE PARTICULAR EVENING when I go to a venue, if I don't tip the artist because I don't like them, I don't tip the club ON THAT VISIT. I've been pretty clear about when I do and don't tip, how much, and why. Somehow it digressed into "Von doesn't tip right" and "Von is insulting venue owners" or some other silly stuff.So, in context, and for the record, on last silly time here, folks:
I tip the venue who brings in the act that entertained me that particular evening. I don't tip acts I don't like. I stay long enough to be polite and then "slip out the back, Jack." At a particular event where I am not personally and subjectively entertained, I don't tip the venue just as I don't tip the act. I don't tip the venue just because they booked an act, were nice and the build was good if I am not entertained on that particular evening. There will likely be plenty of chances to tip them in the future. I don't see why people are making such a big deal out of this, really. |
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| Zak Claxton |
Well, here's a whole other perspective...
Ever tip a venue while no one is playing? I do. I'll drop by just to hang out and chat with folks, and drop some Lindies into the jar for the hell of it. I figure they can use the coin, and it'll be a nice surprise for them if they notice their balance has gone up a smidgen. That's what I'm talking about when I say I don't make a correlation between the venue and who's playing there. It's irrelevant to me. And that's just me; I don't preach my way to anyone else. My feel is that supporting artists and venues are two different things, both important. I also tip art galleries and such, even if I don't love the art. See?
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| vonjohin |
Right, Ticious. I don't see how my comments have been confused here, seeing that you do as I do as well. I will also stay longer than three minutes to see if things are going to get better. Maybe the act is nervous, maybe there is something going on to make it shaky, they are new, etc. After a few songs, if things stay out of tune, they can't hit a note, or even worse they sing off pitch over one poorly chosen backing karaoke track after another, yep, I'm politely out of there. No tips for anyone.
Yep, I'll come back to that venue and check it out again, several times, if I come in once and find an act I don't personally like. However, if I come back to any venue several times and each time I come in there its the same kind of thing, well, I ain't gonna keep coming back. Who would? The thread was about tipping, and my comments about how and when and why I tip and to whom should be read in context and understood to be on a case by case basis, as they were presented to begin with. I think this, in context of the original question, comes down to everyone's personal philosophy on tipping, to whom and for what reasons. Mine are simple: I tip the acts that I enjoy, and during that same show, I tip the venue. Just as I won't patronize a club in real life by buying dinner and drinks if I walk in and find the music not to my liking, no matter how good the food and decor, I won't pay tribute to the venue in SL in the same circumstances.
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| vonjohin |
Completely different issue. I've tipped builds with a tip jar out just because I was impressed with what they've built, venue or not.
Your grasshopper wants to know whacho mean you don't preach your way to anyone else. What else you just been doing?
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| Zak Claxton |
There you go! Stop right there; you got what I'm sayin'.
Saying what *I* do, in the same way I might say I like pistachio ice cream. I won't love you any less if you say you like tutti-fruity.
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| vonjohin |
Well, unless you tell me my logic is wrong for liking tutti fruity.
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| Zak Claxton |
Nope! You can have a triple-scoop, and it won't bug me in the slightest. |
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| vonjohin |
Well when you say somebody's logic is flawed, it comes across like they don't think the right way, and that your following example would be the correct logic that was not flawed. So maybe it did bug you?
Nevertheless, this issue is dead for me now. I've once again managed to dig a hole to climb out of by telling people my opinion, watching it get twisted and misunderstood or taken personally when it wasn't directed at anyone, and I'm tried of digging today. No more bickering for me about something so silly anyway. Everyone tips differently in SL and in RL. Want to have some fun? Troll Craigslist's Rant and Rave section in any city and post about tipping. Heck, just READ things already on their about tipping, its up there with politics and religion as the most heated discussion topics you'll ever seen on that site. Why should this be any different?
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| Jojamela Soon |
Re: How much to tip?Von,I think it was pretty obvious that your comment on the judging abilities of venue owners was directed at venue owners, I'm a venue owner, ergo your comment was directed at me, (not me personally of course- I do understand that). All I was trying to say is that people judge musicians by different standards. Standards, tastes, likes, dislikes vary by the individual, something what may not be up to par in your mind may very well be wonderful to someone else. I do disagree with you, I don't think that the majority of people judge a venue based on the musicians that play there, if they did I wouldn't have the fan group that I have, I wouldn't have the same people coming back all the time no matter who was playing and I wouldn't have the consistent income from those same people who help me to continue to do what I do. That's what I was trying to say in my earlier response to the question in your post , simply that I disagree with your blanket statement that
Your post in response to mine was most definitely directed at me personally:
I responded again that I disagree and why. What I don't understand is your reply to that posting, and I'm sorry you don't realize the condescending attitude towards me that it portrays. I've tried very hard to make sure that my posts reflect my own thoughts on the subject without allowing them to become personal or sarcastic. If I came across that way I do apologize. Very simply stated, I disagree with you, that doesn't make you a bad person, or wrong or anything like that. I simply disagree, I don't think that people judge me or my venue simply based on the acts that I book, I think they judge me based on the work that I've done and that I do every day to bring music to SL. In response to your last posting, no, I don't judge a venue by the artist that is playing on their stage. I judge it based on how hard they are working to make the venue a pleasant place to be. I don't do it in real life either. We have a local bar that we hang out at, they have live musicians, sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad, but we always enjoy the atmosphere and buy the same number of drinks
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| Nad |
I thought this thread was gonna be about how much you need to tip me dammit. |
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| Jojamela Soon |
nad, come play for me and I'll give you a nice big tip
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| ticious |
That's "Ticious Trottier" or "Woodstock Burliegh" in world, Jo . . . im either one of us if you want Nad. At least, if you want him on your stage. And if you want him on your stage for the sole purpose of playing music. You want him any other way, leave me outta it please. | ||||||||||
| Zak Claxton |
Not in the slightest. I love diversity in the world, and not everyone has to share my opinion about anything at all. I'd be bored as hell if everyone agreed with me all the time.
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| vonjohin |
Re: How much to tip?Your perception of my postings is unfortunate. It seems it is predisposed with some people that I'm condescending. Its not the truth, but if you want to read it that way, I don't think I can avoid it now that's its in your mind that its my intent, now matter what I do to try to show otherwise. How unfortunate. I'm sorry you feel that way, truly, I am. I never directed a disparaging comment at you or any other venue owner, and nothing I said she have been construed as such. I'm done with discussing it, the more I do, the worse it gets. I never said a foul word against you, or your venue, or your personal judgment and I don't know what makes you think I did.So we disagree. Don't take it personally. I do judge the quality of a venue owner's work on their judgment in booking acts. And once again, I guess I have to be clear that there is a difference between acts I don't enjoy stylistically and acts that really should spent a lot more time rehearsing before playing in public. If a venue books consistently acts that simply are not ready to be playing in front of people, who can't sing on key, who can't sing in tune or on time, who pay out of tune instruments, etc., etc., I think it will definitely reflect on the venue owner if its consistently that way.
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| elvisduffy |
Durned entertainin'. Feels like I dropped into a real family. Zak and Von are my heroes for that EM article. A little scrapin' behind the curtain seems normal enough in shobiz.
My limited experience has been that SLers are way nice and helpful. I'm guessin some folks have put so much of themselves into their projects that it's pretty easy to twist their melons. Personally I appreciate how hard people have worked to create venues as well as musical acts. Plus there's kind of a utopian quality to virtual existance that renders criticism more biting than in RL. Just my armchair psychology. Anyways, I'm going to try and git on a stage pretty soon. RL has been keeping me busy but that comes and goes. As for tipping I'm takin' it to mean a 100L tip is kinda cheap but still acceptable. |
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| vonjohin |
Elvis, read this old thread: http://slmc.myfastforum.org/about537.html
It talks exactly about what I am talking about discussed by a lot of the folks replying to your question. It illustrates what I was talking about, nothing to do with musical styles. We all know suck when we hear it. You asked a question about how much to tip. I answered it from my opinion and experience. I hope it was helpful.
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| elvisduffy |
Hey ney ney vonjohin! I read it. There's a charm to SL, at least to me. Sort of like mom & pop life before the chains took over. Despite the population all looking like supermodels, it feels more like Mayberry. Kinda nice I think. | ||||||||||
| Zak Claxton |
It's a fine tip.
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| Tommy CUlt |
Well, at first I sorta felt that I was the kind of performer that Von would blame a venue for lol....(might be true cause I know my fingers will turn to concrete if he rezzes during a gig lol) but ya know...all Von did was verbalise (or text-urise) what I do anyway. If a performer is not the style I like or I simply dont connect...I leave....if a venue is way too laggy I leave...if there are more people spamming than I care to mute I leave. I dont think about it, I just hit that event listing and see someone else.
We probably all do similar things. I guess what I think is important though, is many venues give people like me a chance to play - be it open mics or whatever. These venues are usually run by VERY encouraging and VERY patient people. They are here ...in many cases....to help SL residents who just happen to be into playing music - and in my case...I am more comfy on a fork lift than I am in front of an audience. I know there is a big different between those of you out there who are professional musicians and the amatures like me who just find this whole thing alot of fun - I dont sing to anyone in RL cept my kids and the dog lol - but I bet I can load a truck full of pallets with alot more finesse than most here....only in RL nobody tips me for that LOL. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Doubledown's Tip Jar for this thread:
Thanks everyone for being here. Here's my tip jar for this thread, if you like what I'm doing in this thread, please feel free to drop in some linden love |