| Archive for SLMC Second Life® Music Community Forum |
| bong Crescendo |
Just BookingNEW GROUP: Just Booking.http://world.secondlife.com/group/b6b08acc-2c82-f79a-1b33-48ec74f43979 Arrangers can post something like: Musician wanted. Performers can read the messages. Then they must contact arrangers manually. Just that, booking. I hope this group fills a need. Roles:
ARRANGERS can invite arrangers and post messages. PERFORMERS can invite performers. You can be both arranger and performer. Contact me if you need to add a role. You must be able to verify that you are a venue owner or the like in order to become ARRANGER. "A plays now at B" should be announced in some other forum, not in Just Booking. |
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| Cher Harrington |
What is an 'arranger"? 
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| Silas Scarborough |
Cool idea, bong. Anything that breaks down the furiously-divisive group concept is an instant hit with me. Good for you, dude. Strike a blow against feudalism! (laughs) | ||||||
| Tishe |
The way it reads to me, an arranger would be anyone who "arranges" a show. That might be a host, a venue owner, a musician or a manager.
A warning to you Bong, this forum (the SLMC) has a group in world which is intended to be used to ask and answer questions relating to music in SL. The "how to" type of questions, not "there's a show at" type of spam. Directly in the group charter it says this group is NOT to be used to spam show announcements. Rarely a day goes by when I don't have to im someone to explain to them that they are wasting their time spamming to the group, driving away those intended to be there (the ones with real answers to the actual questions) and that the group is not intended for show announcements. With as little as I'm on line these days, I have no doubt there's tons more that I don't see. My biggest complaint these days in SL music, well after the over abundance of tip spam at many shows, is lazy (yes I said LAZY) newcomers who would rather copy and paste a full bio into as many group im windows as possible than use group chat properly. Using it properly means typing (yes, omg, typing!) "Joe is on stage now at slurl". Enter key. Yes, after that very, very short sentence you are done. The event listing should give all necessary info. Maybe the blue window announcment box. But NOT group chat. The only ones that make me angrier are the ones who are SOOOOO lazy they can't even be bothered to read the group charter and understand what the group is for before they slam it with a full encyclopedia length bio!! Grrrrrrrrr Oops, sorry. I have the worst cabin fever these days so my fuse has grown very, very short. That rant wasn't meant for you. I find this idea very interesting. |
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| Silas Scarborough |
Guess you're right. This one would prob'ly end up in the pile of all the other groups that were going to solve the problem. | ||||||
| bong Crescendo |
I feel the positive vibes.
Yes (it's not someone who arranges a piece of music, for instance). At first I called them organizers. Anyone got a better suggestion? Performers is another broad term, it could cover dj's. I thought about live music. Arrangers are typically venue owners (and agents, employees). A musician could also be an arranger, if he/she arranges the show independently (and needs to contract musicians, of course). Most musicians would not be arrangers. You would have to verify that you are indeed an arranger or be invited by an arranger. Many venue owners are also performers, so they can have both roles. I handle that manually.
I hear you. That is why only arrangers can post. Musicians cannot post. They can only read. It will be like opening the newspaper under "musician wanted NOW!". If you don't want to read the newspaper, you can quit the group to rejoin later. Spamming arrangers can be removed from the arranger role. They cannot simply rejoin as arrangers, they have to verify they really do arrange gigs. I expect arrangers will happily report other arrangers' breaches. But a group is not the answer. It is very difficult to grow a group (now): everybody is already in 25 groups, there are other, bigger groups with similar charter, announcement groups are (one might argue) being misused to advertise for musicians etc. |
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| Tishe |
I didn't mean that a group is not the answer. Even with all the shortcomings they have, they are the tool we have at the moment. The groups that are big now didn't start big either. Annoying as they are, they are a tool and people are using them with some success.
If this were just another announcement group, I'd just yawn. It seems like someone starts another one of those daily and for no real good reason that I can see. You know what one reason I've heard for leaving LME and going to a new group? LME has too many people, too many announcements and too much spam. This was from some one who spams announcements for musicians!!! Hello!!! We've talked before about having only one big group or having smaller groups by genre. That's not what I meant in the previous paragraph. These new groups that pop up all the time are either carbon copies of LME or they push some political agenda (usually regarding fees or cover charges) which the audience doesn't care about. In either case, they're usage is exactly the same and they are redundant. Bong is talking about something different. A way for musicians and venue owner to find each other to put the show together, not just another way to announce the show. Just last night, Nad im'd me that some one was asking him how they go about "registering" as musicians because they wanted to perform in SL. So there is need. My only point was there will be misunderstanding and misuse and he'll need to stay on top of that or it will just turn into another of the pesky little announcement groups. |
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| Silas Scarborough |
The mechanism isn't clear. It sounded like a group for a bit and then a forum for a bit or maybe the object is a little PHP script on a Web page.
Bong said everyone has twenty-five groups but I'm not even close to that as I scarcely pay attention to them. Searching Live Music does it for me. So, I'm interested in hearing more on how it is to work but any external Web site will need to feed to something in-world or I doubt it will have much success. (It's not difficult to get data from a Web page in an LSL script) It'd be good if performers could check this thing without logging into SL. So, yah, how does this work? |
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| Tishe |
It's a group, just like Bong said in his intro. Just like LME or Rocky Shores are groups. If you click the link in his initial post, it takes you to the SL Group page, not some external website. | ||||||
| Silas Scarborough |
But a later message says a group is not the answer. Hmm... |
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| bong Crescendo |
— I have invited some friends, but the message I get when I ask, is "I am in too many groups". — Just Booking makes no sense for the time being, it's too small. Hardly anybody has joined, so it's of no use, so nobody will join etc. It won't grow until it has grown. Let me rephrase myself: A group may not be the answer. I don't know yet. Two problems must be targeted:
Make it grow while it is small
Yeah, sometimes I tend to leave out parts of the story because it is obvious to me. For now, it's a SL-group with two roles: Arrangers and Performers. It may not stay a SL-group, I may find some other way to achieve the same. What will stay, is that it is one-way messages from venue owners (etc.) to musicians.
Yes, that is what I am working on. |
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| Tishe |
I do think it's a good idea Bong, and if there's anything you think I can do to help, let me know (I'm Ticious Trottier, owner of Cascadia Music Park in world).
Oh, and I've been accused of leaving out parts of the story because it is obvious to me too  .
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| bong Crescendo |
I will take you up on that. Gotta see Cascadia, that rings a bell? [goes to look] Oh, yeah! I think I was at a Joaquin Gustav concert there once. Actually, I am getting an idea. |
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