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| CreativeMindz |
Music Not PoliticsWHAT IS LIVE MUSIC???* It is spontaneous, unpredictable, fresh * It wraps its arms around the audience and embraces them as part of whole, giving everyone the experience of belonging, a sense of ownership of the day or night * It lives, it breaths. This is what you will find at every MUSIC NOT POLITICS promoted show. JOIN The MNP group, Today! |
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| Bibi Ballinger |
ummmm, I think you'll find this is true of all music in SL. Calling something MUSIC NOT POLITICS seems very political to me. What's your point?? | ||||||
| ticious |
Does MUSIC NOT POLITICS have or plan to have any specific activities or projects surrounding their platform? I joined for a while, but found it to be wholly redundant to the already well established groups like Live Music Enthusiasts and the Independent Music Group (in fact, the notices were direct c/p's so instead of one or two blue windows popping up, I had often had three, all identical, one right after the other and none of them were unique to the MNP group) and so dropped it to save both duplicate notices and a group slot. Can you give us some idea how this group differs to those and what shows are being uniquely promoted by MNP? | ||||||
| Doubledown Tandino |
So.... can I still come to live music shows with my Obama 2008 sign attached? | ||||||
| Jojamela Soon |
I've never understood what the name of this group means....
---guess I've used up my blond moment |
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| CreativeMindz |
If i remember correctly, Doubledown Tandino, you were 1 of the performing artists during the Music Awareness Campaign at the 3SIMs of Money Islands. But... throwing cheap jokes around is not a good thing to do, unless you have plans to become a stand-up comedian. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Ahh, welcome to the SLMC forums CreativeMindz... I'm Doubledown Tandino. nice to meet you. Yes I did perform at the music awareness campaign. And, other SLMC members, chime in here please: When I "throw around cheap jokes" here on the forum, do you prefer it or would you rather me not? speak up, lemme know.... .... oh, by the way, CreativeMindz.... check my resume: 1997 - Comedy Scriptwriting 1998 - Professional Circus Clown for Ringling Brothers and Barnum Bailey 1999-2001 - Court Jester for Caesars Palace 2002 - Part of an Improv Comedy ensemble 2003-2005 - Professional Corporate Event Character Entertainer 2007 - Performed my stand-up material to SLers several times ........ so creativemindz, stick around awhile.... im gonna be "throwing around cheap jokes" .... when you realize that i am actually delivering "satirical quips about the ironies of today's society" .. only then will you have become enlightened |
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| Jambalaya |
Re: Music Not Politics
However - it is NOT funny. 
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| Sally Silvera |
Re: Music Not Politics
 
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| Jojamela Soon |
cheap jokes? hmm.....well, I guess it all depends on the number of pies you throw..... hit me again with coconut this time.... yum 
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| Jambalaya |
If I can't be funny, I don't want to be in your revolution. 
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| Bibi Ballinger |
It is my understanding that the owners of MUSIC NOT POLITICS have vowed to "bury" Ticious and Spotlight Productions. That's pretty political, don't you think??
I doubt Spotlight is worrying about it but it seems counter productive to what the rest of us stand for here. |
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| Sally Silvera |
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| Jojamela Soon |
ok, I've read thru this thread again and I still don't know what the name of this group means. a lot of songs are political. Is the group promoting the idea that songs/musicians should not use music to make political statements? Is the group promoting the idea that music should not have anything to do with politics? Who's politics are we talking about anyway?
Groups are used to promote music events. I'm in almost all of them (given my 25 group limit) and I promote my shows on every one of them for every show (most of you have seen my spam and have probably muted me because of it  )
MNP had a huge growth spurt after the money island gigs, most of the members of the group are newbies. Do they still come to shows? are they still online? Do they contribute to the music industry by attending shows and donating? What is the point of growing a group really fast if the members of the group just ignore the event notices? Frankly, I've been watching who's attending my shows on a regular basis and what I've found is that most of the attendees are 1) regulars to my venue, 2)fans of the artist, 3)residents of my sims. Every now and then I get 1 or 2 people wearing a "Live Music Listener" or "Music Afficianado" tag, but they are rare.... makes me wonder if sending all those notices are really worth the time and effort..... |
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| Jojamela Soon |
OMG Sally, I LUV ya!! /me licks her fingers after digging in.... |
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| richdesoto |
I feel conned. I paid premium dollars for Doubledown material and I hear he's giving it away cheap in this thread?
I wanna refund... Double(down) my money back. |
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| ticious |
Someone wants to bury me .
Okay, DD, chocolate pie pls . . . If I'm gonna die, I at least wanna die happy and fulla chocolate pie
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| Nad |
imo the name of the group is about as political as you can get.
[edited for clarity] the name suggests and/or accuses others of being politcal in design rather than interested in music. It seems intended to suggest that there is so much politics in SL Live Music that a separate group need be established as a haven to defend against politics. Rather than play games with you about this (because that's really political ya know), I want to tell you, as I am one of the founders of Spotlight Promotions, we're not interested in this "battle". While I usually keep a low profile, I comment here to be sure that people understand that SP is dedicated to promoting a music business that does not mirror the RL business. For us SL is an opportunity to help build and work with others who have a similar vision to create an environment that nurtures artists and does not exploit them, that works with the venues, not milk them, and promotes general goodwill with those in the business and those that enjoy the fruits of this business. SP has worked hard to make sure that our integrity is beyond question. I assure you, attempts to - well lets use the language of the street shall we - fcuk with us will never be met with any sort of retaliation from SP, and given our reputation (at which we work very hard) can serve only to smear your appearance. [edited for probably unnecessary clarification]A look at our web site http://www.spotlight-promotions.com will show that SP currently has, including myself, 4 performers choosing to associate with us. We do not stalk performers to get them into our team. These are folks who have come to us. Performers who are affiliated with us do not pay us any fees (though they may contribute if and as they wish (the $L contributed goes into more promotion of live music - none of the SP partners draws a salary)). Our mission is to help anyone who is promoting Live Music in SL with integrity to succeed, as our interest is in building a thriving industry that has integrity. I come back to add this clarification to make it obvious that SP has not engaged in empire building in its 1+ year of operation. It's 4 performers, a group of partners who are fast friends, and a team of folks who have agreed to work with us because they like what they do. Now that we understand one another (I hope), I do wish you the best of luck in any endeavor you undertake to promote live music in SL in an ethical manner. |
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| Sally Silvera |
WTG Mr Gough ... ermmmm Nad!
Tish, Jo...... pie's on me 
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| CreativeMindz |
'We have set the forum up to try and have one place where as a music community, whether you be a Live Musician, DJ, Venue Owner, Host, Builder , Scripter, or you have anything to do with Second Life Music we can discuss ideas, solutions, experiences etc and hopefully have a better understanding of how to make it work for all of us'
I must have missed something in this presentation of this forum, maybe the SLMC forum has a hidden agenda against new posters. |
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| RayW |
I was going to respond earlier and deleted it. But, I love you all for weighing in on this.
Anything with "Politics" in it's title is not for me. I am a live musician and an Independent musician. And the groups I belong to say just that and only that. Good luck, though. Hope it doesn't get political. |
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| ticious |
Nope, Creative, you are 100% right, that is the stated purpose of this forum and all are welcome to post here, to promote here and to initiate discussions here (as long as the topic is related in some way to SL Live Music, and your posts of today certainly are). And I hope this thread will either turn back in that direction or just kinda fade.
The idea here is to SHARE ideas, have a little fun (hence the pie stuff) and hopefully generate new ideas and enthusiasm. There is no other agenda and, as a moderator on this forum, I would encourage everyone to please remember that. |
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| Sally Silvera |
While I´m not a new poster (anymore), IMHO this is the singlemost new-comer friendly bunch of people I have encountered in SL and out. When I first posted here I was welcomed with open arms and I´ve since met (and been honoured to befriend inworld) many amazing people here. Mebe it helps to say who you are and what you do first? Dunno... 
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| Nad |
I apologize to you Creative, if it seems I was responding to any posts you have made. I was responding to Bibi's comment and the name of this thread. I've not seen a post from you that says who you are or what you do. It certainly was not my wish to offend you personally in anyway. All are welcome here. Hell they even let me in. | ||||||
| Jambalaya |
I think maybe the problem is that you sorta came off more like you were engaging in a sales pitch instead of a discussion. You might get a better response with "We're doing this, what are you guys doing" etc. than "Join us, TODAY!" So why not take a deep breath, step back, and get to know what's happening? |
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| ticious |
In addition to getting to know us, maybe you can tell us more about yourself and how the SLMC can help you. What are you hoping for when joining the SLMC? Beyond folks joining your group. There are over 500 people here interested in SL Live Music and I'm sure lots of them are already in the MNP. Of those who aren't many likely already have problems with the 25 group limit (I know I do!). So, other than joining your group, how can we help you to achieve your goals? |
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| Fyrm Fouroux |
Re: Music Not Politics
The opening post of this thread urges the reader not only to join MNP, but to do so today. I have several misgivings about complying with this exhortation and I shall share these with you now. I have no intention whatsoever of commenting on the politics (with a lower-case ‘p’) surrounding this issue; and I leave that to others. The title of the group needs to be unpacked. On the surface, it seems as though we are being invited to choose between two mutually exclusive categories or activities: music and politics. I do not understand the basis for making the choice implied by the title of the group. If I say to you “Oranges Not Apples” this could mean that we should eat oranges and not apples. Oranges and apples belong to the same super-ordinate category (fruit) and so the choice makes some sense. I am not sure what super-ordinate category might be implied by both of the terms: music and politics. While this remains unclear, the meaning of the group title will remain fuzzy. The spirit behind MNP could imply that we, the musicians, should play music and not engage in political activity (or waste time thinking about political issues). That seems to me to be at odds with good citizenship. There is absolutely no reason why good musicians should not take an interest in politics. And sometimes that interest might be directly related to matters musical. In England, for example, there are resource issues surrounding the extent to which music is promoted and taught within schools and pupils are given the opportunity to learn instruments. Political parties will have different policies about resourcing music in schools. They will also have different policies relating to the funding of the arts in general (and music in particular). Another interpretation might be that music, especially song, should not be political in content. I believe that much song is political in content and the default position might be that the least political of songs may simply be reinforcing stereotypes that shore up the status quo (and thus are unintentionally political). Some of the songs I write are overtly political. Some take ordinary objects or events in our mundane reality and attempt to look at them in a fresh light (an example would be my song about English ‘fish and chips’). This approach sometimes, but not always, results in things that had previously appeared innocent being placed under the microscope for political or economic scrutiny. I am not claiming that I do this sort of thing well; I am saying that I believe it to be a good and worthwhile thing to do as a songwriter on some occasions. I also write a lot of humorous songs and quite a few nonsense songs. While I do not think that songwriters should always be writing political songs, I do believe that they should be allowed to do so whenever they get the urge, so to speak. I come now to the three point definition of ‘live music’ that has been put forward by MNP. I’ll deal with the third point, first. To say that live music ‘lives and breathes’ is to say no more than that it is live music (and by definition the musicians have to be living, and if they are living they will be breathing). So that doesn’t really say much. The first point asserts that live music is spontaneous, unpredictable and fresh. This is blatantly not true of a lot of live music. I have attended live music events for several decades and once ran a live music club in my local city. It is often the case that as soon as a particular performer gets on the stage their performance will be highly predictable and not at all spontaneous (“How many times have I heard him play that one”). Admittedly, there are sometimes surprises. I guess that improvisational jazz comes closest to spontaneity. Yet there can be immensely rigid structures constraining the saxophonist’s freedom to blow as she feels (“Hey! What are you doing? We are II-V-I in Eb, don’t you know?”) As to the ‘freshness’ of the music, this might depend on the freshness of the musicians. If the singer steps up to the stage nursing the most monumental hangover from a blast the night before, the chances are the singing will sound a tad strained. Lastly, I turn to the arm-wrapping and embracing part of the definition. I do like the sentiment and it would be churlish to reject it as too touchy-feely. But I have to say that it is not always like that. Certainly not in my experience, in some of the rl pubs I’ve played. The wall of sound from people NOT listening, not paying attention, and not caring one jot for the music can be a difficult and cruel thing to experience as one sings one’s heart out at the mic. So, on balance, I’ve decided not to join the group. |
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| Silas Scarborough |
What's all this namby-pamby goody two-shoes stuff. Creating another music group is flat-out stupid and if the person who created the group is not aware of the potential destructiveness of the move then s/he should go back to a job appropriate to his/her skillset such as going to 7/11 to sell cigarettes to the people on the way to DD's comedy show. SL needs another music group as much as the world needs another dumb-ass foreign policy statement from that monkey in the white house. Oh gee, that was political. | ||||||
| Doubledown Tandino |
my take on "music, not politics" group....
someone came into SL, wanted to be the kingpin music guru dude for SL.... then found out it's already been around for 4-5 years now, most of us view Astrin Few as the first SL musician, and Slim Warrior as the pioneer.... .... so after the music newb finds out all this stuff, instead of getting involved, they still want to just do it better without the thought of whats currently going on. While every is doin this there's always someone saying lets not do this, do this (which happens to be the right way) ....so by naming a group "music not politics" ... it's very telling that the owner once was doing music stuff, started getting completely political about it, blamed it on everyone else, and now comes out with "music, not politics" .... as if the rest of the SL music community is all politics. well, all i can say is, the oldbies have seen all this before.... the oldbies also have often had someone from time to time threatening their death and destruction. .... point is.... if you're going to make a new SL music group, don't just come into what truely is the SL music group, tell everyone it's not goin right, and they should now follow your leadership |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
About 30 seconds after this picture was taken I was smacked in the side of the face with a whip cream pie
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| Nad |
Silas, why hold back? Say what you mean, dude. |
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| vonjohin |
Make no mistake, many would prefer you quietly wade into this forum rather than jump in and make a wave.
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Love your new avatar-pic Nad. It's like a self-audio-biographical-portrait |
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| Silas Scarborough |
Staying within the political context, we see that the majority is claimed to have elected George Bush. Hopefully, given that knowlege, you will understand why the thoughts of the majority are largely irrelevant to me. Should I assume you speak for all of them or are you just striking the pose? |
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| vonjohin |
Huh?
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| Silas Scarborough |
Sorry but I don't see a majority saying that what I wrote is wrong. Maybe a little shock at the wording but tell me it's not true... | ||||||
| vonjohin |
What are you talking about? |
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| ticious |
/me rolls her eyes
Boys, can we keep stuff on topic and civil, please? If ya wanna bicker, pm was made for that. Or make yourself a new thread in the rant room. This is Creative's thread and it's about the new group, Music Not Politics, not about how much you two don't care for each other. |
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| vonjohin |
Was I bickering? I just replied to Creative, that's all. Silas came out of left field with that stuff. I have not instigated anything, I hope you recognize that and see I simply said, "What are you talking about? and "Huh?" and after finally seeing something derogatory left about me personally on the board for over six weeks, which you as a mod never commented on and the admins here never opened the private message I sent about on, it was finally get removed and I even saw an apology, which I appreciate, this I edited the last bit out about picking fights. Ticious, I don't come here to fight, have never hurled an ad hoc comment at anyone or called people names and I'm not going to do it now. |
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| Silas Scarborough |
I am trying to stay on topic and I don't dislike von Johin. Creation of yet another generic music group is a divisive and spiteful thing to do. Performers need to belong to all of the generic ones and the resulting message spam creates a snowstorm of notices for them. As a performer, you'll get a copy of the notice you send out to your vanity group and you'll probably also get a notice from the venue's group so you may well get four or five notices for your own act and three or four for others.
For my part, I've dropped out of all but one generic group and most vanity groups. I would drop out of all of them but the notices are still the language of advertising so the medium can't be ignored altogether. If this costs me people at my shows, so be it. The spam is insufferable and the alienation of the other guy's generic group is, well, fill this in yourself. |
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| ticious |
I was responding to what was there before you edited your post to say 'What are you talking about'. And my response was to that, not to your original comment. Your original reply to Creative was completely within bounds. What you had in that post before you edited it definitely stepped out of bounds. But since you obviously felt the same way, the point is now moot.
And now, back to the conversation . . . . . please pick up from Silas' post immediately before this one as it is back on topic and let the side track slide . . . . . |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Lemme kill 3 birds with one stone here:
1) politics: GO OBAMA 2008 2) cheap jokes: ca ca poo poo turtle testicles 3) to end the thread: this thread has dwindled from I dunno where... but whereever it started, it's dwindled. .... |
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| Nad |
Where I'm from backhanded compliments are made by people with little backbone. Particularly from people who have never been offended by those they backhand. An old zen story. The master asked the grasshopper, "If I give you a gift and you do not accept it, who does the gift belong to?" The grasshopper thought a while. "Why, I suppose it belongs to the giver." The master smiled. "So it is with insults." |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
I just meant it's very cool. no backhandedness intended. its cool, that's all I meant.
I Did enjoy the zen story |
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| Fyrm Fouroux |
Silas, I assume that you were referring to my post. I did not see your response until now because I was out playing a rl gig until about 1 a.m. I don’t know how to respond about what you said. I do not think that rational debate should be dismissed as ‘namby-pamby goody-two-shoes stuff', whatever that might be. If you move away from reasoned argument, you get into the situation where the person who shouts loudest, or the person who can throw the most hurtful insult, wins. I am afraid that I did not understand the meaning of ‘going to 7/11 to sell cigarettes’. Perhaps there are cultural connotations in that phrase that are local to where you live. This is an international forum. |
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| CreativeMindz |
41 replies, that's amazing, I must be doing something right here!
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| CreativeMindz |
To answer Sally, Ticious and other forum members question!
* MNP is visible 24/7 at the Money Island landing point. * MNP promotes daily LIVE concerts to a wider audience. * MNP is planning more targeted events in the future. In addition, you can find 2 big advert signs on both sides of the big stage. 1, a promo for the show Tonight Live w/ Paisley Beebe 2, a promo for the 2008 Virtual Music Awards So get your info out to the masses!
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| ticious |
Can you explain more about these promotions? What is your method of promoting them beyond group notices to the MNP group?
Can you expand on the mechanism you're offering for getting info out? Is this an offer to provide space by the big stage at Money Island to folks to advertise their venues, shows, and groups alongside the promos for Paisley's show and the awards thing? For instance, would a poster for the LME, IMG, SLMC, GiT or someone's venue be welcome here? |
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| Sally Silvera |
Thanks for your reply. I'm still somewhat confused though
Everyone here is already getting their info out to the masses in many different ways, as has been pointed out by various people above. I'm still not entirely sure what your asking support for or proposing? BTW, I have in the past offered Moody my assistance for her event and never heard back, so I'm presuming that's not what's being asked for? Oh and if you need a Get it Together live music promotion poster for your stage area, shoot me an IM inworld, I'll be happy to provide you with one. |
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| DjaiSkjellerup |
I can't believe I've worked my ass off in the name of raising awareness..and what's more badgered other people to work their collective ass off on our behalf too...only to be told by someone in MNP that I am not doing it right or not doing enough.
Creativemindz...folks here have gently tried to point out that we are doing a lot already, have achieved alot and are already doing it right and you have ignored them. They've welcomed your input in a constructive manner but you have offered nothing concrete in response..only a few stats about membership of your group and then a list of things you have done which frankly are absolutely bleeding obvious and we have all been doing those things already...we all put posters up!..I hope the Get It Together poster is at your venues.. I played your Music Awareness gig...any success from those gigs arose because many musicians stepped up to the plate to make it a success. So the musicians ought to be stepping up to the plate cos they are the ones that benefit but to then get this response from you I find utterly utterly divisive..whatever you feel you have done right please temper your pride with the fact that I for one..and others it seems judging from the responses..am really disappointed with the way you gone about this. I work well with Moody and I cannot believe she intended this kind of communication..I think it's fine for MNP to trumpet their successes ..but to criticise the rest of us at the same time is totally unnecessary |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Okay, now, after 6 pages, I think I'm finally starting to sway.
I'm thinkin' I'm gonna join the MNP group now (p.s. ...in the next upcoming months, at my gigs, if I happen to slander any of you, your company, your family, and your music... it's in my "new contract"... so, my apologies in advance) |
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| Slim Warrior |
I am presuming this is an offer for us to put up a poster and information for SLMC there and perhaps also the IMG and I'm sure Astrin would be more than happy to let you have an LME poster and many other groups would too, to help raise awareness of Music in SL. What a wonderful offer Creative! Who do I drop the posters to in world? |
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| Silas Scarborough |
Sorry if It looked like I was slamming you as that wasn't my intention at all. The stuff Creative (a gross abuse of that word, I must say) is doing is stupid, selfish, counter-productive, compounds an existing problem, and is being presented as the answers to every maiden's prayers. If Creative's solution is the answer, then it wasn't much of a prayer. Not that this will change anyone's life but there's no way in hell I'm joining another general notification music group as all I'll get out of it is another flood of spam. MUCH more importantly, all LISTENERS will get out of it is a flood of spam so go ahead and piss 'em off if you want to but don't be crying about why fewer people come to shows. Instead of asking what Creative wants, don't you think it would be a little more helpful if you looked at what the listener wants? |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Live Turntables DJs Group Sign (600 members)
& "The SL DJ & Club Scene Weekly News Kiosk" (over 170 unique readers a week) both can be given to you inworld, just IM me and I'll send em over. |
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| Slim Warrior |
I agree Silas! I'm a member of several music groups and the spam factor can get totally overwhelming, not to mention my inbox full of notices and group announcements and for the majority of groups, you cant even chat in them without someone telling you to stop. More groups is just overkill.. imho. And I get the feeling that Creative is not here to provide support at all or solutions, and is just here to raise issues he/she has with all the other Music related groups in SL that he/she thinks are um... 'inferior' to MNP In reality, it isn't offering anything that hasn't been done or isn't being done already.
The post by DJai was very well put! It's the Musicians/DJ's etc make the events successful not the group per se. |
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| Fyrm Fouroux |
No problem at all. I do agree that it would be better to reduce, not increase the flood of blue notices to the screen. I find that very distracting. My computer controls are awkward to reach when I'm playing my instrument and I have often just hit OK too quickly and lost a tip notice before I had the chance to thank the kind person who gave it to me. Having said that, and acknowledging that my post was probably a bit long-winded and over analytical, my main reasons for not joining MNP are the ones I outlined. The extra notices might be a 'last straw' factor, too. |
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| CreativeMindz |
'If you have a music group in SL and would like to tell us Post it here. MUSIC related only please.'
I rest my case!!! |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
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| CreativeMindz |
A good way to promote is to put adverts at high traffic locations and that is an answer to Sally's question! Simple as that!! | ||||||
| Sally Silvera |
Ermmmmmm .... no.... coz my question was what you were asking support for or proposing. But never mind.
However, if you're proposing putting adverts in high traffic locations, that's already happening. If you're asking for posters to put up by your stage location, I imagine you'll be busy IMing people to take them up on their offers
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| Slim Warrior |
Fantastic piece of advice there Creative, Thank you for your valuable input. |
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| ticious |
Creative is right, he/she IS free to post an advert for his/her SL Music related group in this section just as is anyone else and really doesn't need to explain or justify the name of the group or it's promo/slogans any more than any other group would have to.
Honestly, I think the reason for all the controversy kinda surrounds the fact that most of the respondents are already familiar with the group, know Moody and Eric (co-owners of the group) and know that Moody and Eric have been active in the forum here nearly since its inception. So we've gone off making an assumption that more was meant then simply a listing of a group that's available in a section of the forum intended for people to simply list their groups, thereby making the information that the group exists available to our visitors. Some of whom will want to join and some of whom will not. Their choice. Our job: make the info available. Nothing more. Edited to conclude: That job is not only done, it's kinda over done don'cha all think? 
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| vonjohin |
Can somebody link me to a post from this Creative person where they said negative things and such that would cause some on the "welcome wagon" to get so nasty in this thread? I just read through all of the pages and I must have missed something. | ||||||
| RayW |
Not sure it was just Creative that caused it, VJ. But, I would say stuff started happening with this: http://slmc.myfastforum.org/about1217.html&highlight= I think MNP is the target. It was for me, at first, because of history with other posters. But, I toned-down my response because it was more reactionary than factual. |
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| vonjohin |
Thanks. I read every post Creative has made, from going to his/her profile, and I just don't see anything literally written that should have invoked some of the mean stuff posted. That's all I'm saying.
Ticious, you summed it up well. The person posted an announcement about the group, as the site allows. What followed, well, was it really necessary? SL is a big world and its also a small world at the same time when it comes to niche interests like music. If people can't create new things there and in turn announce them here without getting negatively pounced on, its got the potential to make this forum look like more of a hangout for a small clique than a place newcomers can visit and discuss what they are doing in SL with/for music. Yeah, I don't know what the hell Music Not Politics means either. I didn't join the group and I ain't planning to join it. I got enough of them now. I didn't play the Money Island thing (not that there is anything wrong with that), and my take was the group's name was political in and of itself or means to imply that some other groups might be political. Still, I just don't see anything posted so far that justifies some of the nasty things that have been said, or the far out assumptions that were made in a couple of the postings, and that is why I asked somebody to show me a link that I may have missed. I still haven't read anything to justify it in my opinion, not for as nasty as some of it has been for certain.
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| Doubledown Tandino |
I'm still gonna stand firm and say the best form of promotion is playing shows and then playing more shows. | ||||||
| RayW |
You know ... some of this is history ... some gut-feel. If you don't have the same history and feelings as another person, it's hard to tell where they are coming from.
I have gut-feelings about this that I will not share, because I am most likely wrong. But, still, it influences my thoughts and actions. But, MOST of what people posted falls along the same lines as what you said, VJ. Just some are a little more nasty than others. And, I agree with you, DD. SO, I'd better get showing
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| vonjohin |
Fair enough, but you do use the forum for it, too.
http://slmc.myfastforum.org/about1142.html |
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| vonjohin |
"Some" is more than fair.
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| Doubledown Tandino |
LOL, yeah, hell yeah.... I spam from just about every angle I can, sometimes to scrape up to 5 people listening.... |
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| vonjohin |
The problem with the term "up to" is that I always recall that it includes the number "naught."
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| RayW |
And to further hyjack this thread ...
I have played to "naught" ... though, one person showed up ... looked around ...must have said "WTF" and left. And with a 30-45 sec delay on the stream .... it's hard to yell out "Hi ..." before they are gone. I need a promoter
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| ticious |
IM me in world, Ray *hug*. Cascadia Harmonics has LOTS of room for you!!!!! | ||||||
| Doubledown Tandino |
Well.. I think the absolute worst blow to self esteem...
... is you're the only green dot in the sim, and you're performing live... ... and you check your stream listener details and it shows 0 listeners, instead of 1.... not even you are counted as listening to your own stream. |
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| vonjohin |
My record-low attendance was four. It was odd. I think SL must have been screwing up for people. Every other show was 20-30 on average, sometimes over 40, making my previous mainland send them outside the region to wait to get in. Then one Wednesday, four people showed and one was my wife. The next night at Mama's Blues Club, 40. Go figure. The night before, 30 on a Tuesday. Oh well, such is Second Life.
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| ticious |
Happens to everyone once in a while. Well, everyone but Max Kleene . Don't let it worry you.
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| Silas Scarborough |
It's disappointing but almost an honor when only a few people show up. Of course that never happens to me so I'll relate my interpretation of that eventuality. What it means is that there's huge competition in that time slot and the people who are there could have gone a zillion other places.
Another one that would be a crusher if it ever happened to me, which of course it doesn't, is when you do a gig on your land and your home stage and no-one shows up. |
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| RayW |
BINGO!
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| Silas Scarborough |
Well, like I say, of course that has never happened to me. Of course.
Performers aren't going to like this but most are self-destructing. There's no way you can do three gigs a day every day without burning yourself out and without burning out interest in your audience. The reason numbers are low at gigs is that people are doing way, way too many of them. Yep, I know you can't make any jingle if you don't but you're not going to make any significant jingle in SL anyway. If jingle really is the deal, you might as well work at McD's as you'll make about the same and you won't have to buy any equipment. I've roped my gigs way back from what I was doing for years and I'm enjoying them more. SL had turned into another boring job and now I only do a gig when I feel like it and I really like whoever owns the venue. Suddenly it's fun again! |
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| hexx |
Purely hypothetical, of course: consider not having land and a home stage and nobody wanting to book you. Now wouldn't that be a challenge, business modelly speaking? |
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| Silas Scarborough |
No-one wants to book me because I keep showing up late, unshaven, and stinking of gin. It's artistic expression, I tell you. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
we can hear your unshaven whiskers scraping against the mic .. .and your shows are so quiet too... and every show I've been to of yours you say you're burning down your RL location during the show.... but I'm not so sure that is true cause i never hear in the news about a SL user in the hospital due to 1st degree burns
(note to new readers... this is sarcasm, and silas' shows actually rock HARD!!! .... I think I need a disclaimer on some of my sarcastic text... cause I'm starting to realize sarcasm doesn't always work with text) |
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| Silas Scarborough |
DD, you're assuming there are survivors! That can be a big assumption as the first time I did a pyro show, I didn't aim right and shot the fireworks into the audience! It's a tough call for who does the biggest pyro boom in there as Telia is outrageously good at it but hexx had so much going last week-end that you could hardly see the stage. To my knowledge, everyone made it through the gig tho.
Thanks for the plug! I know SL people need rock about as much as political speeches but that's ok. I like doing it It was funny last night, tho. I wasn't expecting many people at Eden but a bunch showed up so I don't really know what the variable might be as the bluez guyz (Komuso and Bluez Preacher) were going head to head and that usually means empty chairs everywhere else.
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| ticious |
And that just SOOOO ain't true!!! I need my semi weekly dose of Silas Rocking the ROCK!!!!! And I get as many hits as possible in between!!!! But I did make sure everything at Rocky Shores is coated in flame retardant, made extra copies of everything and locked them in a safe and took out LOTS of extra liability insurance (to cover the cadav . . audience members who might be standing in the wrong places at the right times). |
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| hexx |
/me looks up, interested, little flames glowing in the depth of her eyes and trying to hide a suspicious grin.
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| Silas Scarborough |
I'm guessing this is where I should say ignore what I said in the other thread about not being neurotic! Well, maybe not entirely neurotic. My perception is that SLers if given the choice of an acoustic act or an electric act will most often pick acoustic. Do you think that's true? I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone as this subject really fascinates me. How is it that the musical needs of the SL community are so radically different from RL, as in completely upside-down. Electric pop/rock remains the staple in RL. Same with new country (as in electric but little, if any, whining pedal steel guitar stuff). There's some electric blues happening but usually these are in open mike nights in ribs joints. There's classical happening but mostly just on one FM station on the dial. There's a teenie tiny bit of folk going on but that's about it. Note: I'm talking commercial stuff. Whatever you'd hear on the radio, supermarket, doctor's office, blah, blah. |
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| ticious |
I suspect it may be the fault of the venue owners hiring musicians going for what they personally like or maybe what's easy to find? The absolute plethora of acoustic musicians (there are easily a dozen acoustic musicians in SL for every electric musician)? I dunno. But it's definitely NOT a lack of appetite among the SL audience.
BTW, Silas, I have decided that Rocky Shores is ALL electric except special events. The acoustic stuff will be at Cascadia Harmonics. I made that decision before the reopening. The Rock was built to RAWK!! |
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| Sally Silvera |
Not at all sure it it! There's plenty of folks out there who love to hear more than accoustic folksy stuff! Also evidenced by the audience numbers at more "rock" style gigs (disclaimer: that's the ones I've seen during my waking hours of course). But my perception (could be misconception of course) is that there are a lot more accoustic acts around? And for what's it's worth, I'd love to come to one of your gigs again, but you mostly keep very different hours from me. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
I'm actually surprised how large the acoustic following is in SL, and the 'singers-only' following. I'm just saying that I would think most styles in the pop, electric, acoustic, rock, alt in SL would be equal... but I think the acoustic following in SL is rather extraly large. | ||||||
| Zak Claxton |
I'd love to surprise the crap out of everyone and plug in the Marshall and the Les Paul for a show sometime in SL. I'm sure I will someday.
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| Doubledown Tandino |
Its bizarre to me Zak that you havnt gone electronic once in SL.
wazzup with you? hey, I'm setting up the electronica show for SL RFL... april 30th, 24 hours of live electronica and live djs... wanna play an hour of your electronica? |
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| Zak Claxton |
1. I'm lazy, and it's very simple for me to grab my acoustic, step in front of the mic and play. 2. I spent from 1983-2006 playing hard rock, roots rock, classic rock, metal, and so on. The acoustic has been a nice change for me. 3. I've done a lot of songwriting over the last year, and acoustic guitar and piano are the two instruments I use to write. 4. But mostly it's #1. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
I'm only #1
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| admin |
As the original topic of this thread has moved on somewhat this thread is now closed. |