| Archive for SLMC Second Life® Music Community Forum |
| Doubledown Tandino |
Q and A : The Poor Man's CopyrightQ and A: The Poor Man's CopyrightPoor Man's Copyright Q: My friend and I have a bet. I say mailing myself a copy of my songs is a valid copyright. He says it's not. Who's right? A: Start writing the check; your friend is right, and mailing yourself a copy of your songs is not valid legal protection against copyright infringement. READ MORE HERE: http://djdoubledown.blogspot.com/2009/05/q-poor-man-copyright.html |
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| ticious |
Hey DD. Could you do us all a favor and just copy/paste the info here instead of dragging folks over to your blog? This looks a little like one of those 'hooks' my email provider makes me look at in an effort to drag me off someplace where they can up web hits and their advertising fees when all I really wanna do is read my email.
Btw, your blog is a great blog, well worth perusal by any folks who care to hop over there. But you have the link in your signature, that gives them enough opportunity to hop over there. |
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| Doubledown Tandino |
yeah, um no.
i'm not copying and pasting my info from my blog for your forum tiscious. I write my blog for a reason. the fact that you don't want external links on your forum is ridiculous. I'm right here ready to have a conversation about what I posted right here. But no, I'm not copying and pasting my formatted blogposts with pictures and links onto your forum here each time. wonder if we'll get to talk about copyrights? |
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| hexx |
Personally, I prefer links to articles instead of long postings with the text of an article.
The copyright issue is an interesting one, though. What would happen if all those musicians who do cover versions of well-known songs would have to pay their dues to the authors of those songs? Now that the Lab has declared SL live music as a "killer app", the days of merrily strumming along with not a cloud in the sky might very well be numbered. |
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| ticious |
Firstly, it's not my forum.
Yes, you write a blog for a reason, and it's a damn good blog and one I highly recommend to people. But we (meaning me, Slim and supposedly you, since you ARE still an admin here) maintain this forum for a different reason. It's not intended as an ongoing conversation, like a blog, it's intended to be more like a library, a standing source of information. These are two different goals, both of which are good and important for the growth of music in SL. I'm not objecting to external links. As I clearly said in my pm to you, the occasion external link, where it leads to a substantial amount of info and helps the flow of information is completely acceptable and very welcome here in the forum. But lets not be coy here, DD. You came here this morning and spammed this forum with links to your blog. You didn't' come here to share information (which is what this forum is for). You came here for the sole purpose of advertising your blog and upping your link count for the search engines. Proof? Your recent posting history here is proof enough. This morning alone: 1) This post which leads to a whopping one additional paragraph on the subject on your blog. Clearly a hook to pull readers over to your blog rather an attempt to share info. 2) In the daily posters club:
3) In Jura's June issue announcement thread:
4) In Slim's Metajams announcement thread:
5) In the Rocking the MetaVerse announcement thread:
6) In the Metaverse article thread:
7) Your own thread with the link to the Scoutlounge article on you:
8 In your own thread announcing an article on your blog. BTW, this one, I would have been completely cool with.
That's not an occasional link and it's not an attempt to share info. That's spamming the forum with links to your blog (keeping in mind that every post also includes the link in your sig) to pull readers and up your position on the search engines. And frankly, it offends me that you use the forum for your own goals when this forum runs on nothing but Slim's money and my time. |
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| ticious |
When it's a long and in depth article, I completely agree. This is not a long and in depth article. It is one paragraph. Personally, while I prefer to hopping a link over a long post I also prefer a short post over hopping a lnk. If your desire was to discuss copy rights (something that's been discussed repeatedly here in the forum, is there some new development in the ares?) that would have been better served by copying (or retyping if it's too highly formatted) that one paragraph, which has no pictures and only one link, over to here. As I said before, lets not be coy. If this were the first time you'd done this, I'd say cool. It's not the first time you've done this. It's all you do here anymore. |
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| Soundcircel Flanagan |
I wouldnt do anything and i sure aint gonna pay for it 
I said it before ( last year when the same subjct came up ) and will say it again, they can sue me, i hope they do
It would be awesome promotion, SL musician gets his ass kicked because he plays covers and doesnt earn a dime on it You cant have better promotion then this
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| hexx |
I don't think the copyright people care whether or not you make a dime, Sound. | ||||||||||||||
| Alazarin |
I know that here in England sending yourself a sealed and dated envelope by recorded delivery containing the recording(s) is the bare minimum of proof of ownership of the copyright. Then there's things like getting registered with the PRS and other mechanical copyright societies. Beyond that you're probably dealing with publishers and lawyers. At which point I'm out of my depth.
Suffice to say that if you've got a date-stamped recording or score of your work that should be sufficient proof in a court of law. If in doubt consult the local branch of your musicians' union. |
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| Soundcircel Flanagan |
true, but i dont care for them either
it sounds harsh offcourse but i dont see any arm in anyone playing a cover for about maybe ( if your lucky ) 50 people a week. ( offcourse selling a cover and stuff like that is something else ) I really dont think that Gary Moore, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani etc.etc. are sleeping less because some dude on SL plays there songs Its not that we reach thousends of people and spreading it all over the place reducing their main source of income They might sue to make a statement or something or to protect theirselfs like Prince did with the youtube video Their was a video posted by a mom who filmed her little daughter dancing, the clip was maybe 30 seconds or so and a prince tune played way in the back, offcourse he had it removed LOL "omg people dance to my music and have fun while listening, remove that video, we cant have that" I see why he did it, im not stupid offcourse but if he wants to sue me because i play Purple Rain and maybe 100 people have heard it in the last months then be my guest ..... |
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| hexx |
It's not the musicians you deal with in case of copyright infringement, Sound. It's the lawyers of music publishers and record companies - they're mean.
And mean people suck. |
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| Soundcircel Flanagan |
true again. My point is : what can they do ? not mutch i would say ( in my case that is, not speaking in general ) Sure they can claim money, but i dont have that
they can order me to stop abusing their tunes with a big penalty anytime i would play it, but again i cant pay that
So the only thing would be left was to throw me in jail LOL They would have a hard job going after all copyright issues I think you sing Happy birthday sometimes right ? Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear Mr Linden Happy Birthday to youuuuuuuuuuuuuu Well, stop doing that please LOL the copyright on that ends in 2030 so till then, stop abusing it its illegal to sing that song Offcourse it is about money i think artists, managers or companies dont care as long as you dont make money on it |
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| hexx |
They probably won't send their bloodhounds out to get you personally, or any other SL musician for that matter. They'll go after the Lab, which will of course comply with the law. Ain't no telling what will happen then. But where legal matters are concerned, the Lab has proven to be inclined to take drastic overnight measures. "Live music is a killer application", the Lab's CEO stated recently. This probably means they smell money, and that the Eye of Sauron is upon us. |
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| RayW |
An apt and scary analogy, Hexx!! Who and where be the ring barer? |
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| Soundcircel Flanagan |
if i recall it right LOl
that eye of Sauron lost the battle ? lmao well, Linden can kick me out offcourse
But seriously now i see the stuff that happens around us, just look at the stupidity that happens on YouTube Kids video's of them singing a cover behind the piano are thrown out Videos where happen to be a clip in the background are deleted and mutch more of this crazyness..... i do know what is going on, but ( again ) i really dont care
i cant help it, its the personality i think, the more they tell me i can not do something, the more i will do it /me goes back to rehearse more covers |
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| ticious |
Linden Labs has already stated it's position and it's no different for musicians than it is for any other content creator. If you get caught singing a cover or I get caught selling pictures I copied from StockPhoto.com, either way, we are the responsible party, not Linden Labs. In the past LL has taken drastic overnight measures on plenty of things, but this one, they covered in the initial EULA. |
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| Sanity Inn |
Let's hope copywrite infringement never goes this far
http://www.naturalnews.com/022437.html Sanity Inn |
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| Gavin Mackay |
I dunno whether anyone will ever come after performers for playing covers here in SL, but what I do know is that once lawyers get involved, they go after every pocket that is even superficially related to what they feel will potentially line their coffers. LL can claim that they have no responsibility, buy I guarantee the attorneys won't give a rats ass whether LL thinks it's their responsibility or not. I dunno if this is exactly the same analogy (close enough), but Napster was hammered along with a few select individual "examples" even tho they were only the medium for the 'abuse'.. just as LL is the medium for performers playing covers. If money was made in those court cases (and I guarantee attorneys made some), it didnt come from the poor pimply faced 14 year olds who were passing the music around. I guess I just wanted to hear myself talk this morning. Next time I post, I'll actually try to say something worth listening to (no promises tho). |
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| Soundcircel Flanagan |
Love it LOL i am soooooooooooooo going to use this in my shows LMAO |