Jojamela Soon
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Tip Jar ScriptsHelp! I'm looking for a tip jar script that will give an object when it's tipped. If anyone could point me in the right direction, or if someone has a freebie out there that does it, I sure would appreciate it!!
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BabbleGrabble
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IM me inworld if I forget ... I can send my script your way.
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Distilled1
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and it works great !
now to figure out how to do random like Ticious' wishing well 
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ticious
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Ticious's script was custom written for Rocky Shores and she was asked not to share....sorry 
Still, it's not complex and I dont' think it's random. It has a list and I think it just gives the next item on the list.
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Distilled1
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I'm working on one;) yeah I know I wouldn't want to ask either, you have one special script it grants me such great wishes:D
I am sure we will get it figured out.
is it a list? I have lots of lights! and a few floatsoms 
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EvaMoon
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There are a lot of scripts available. I found the one I've been using on slexchange.
If I were to make a wish list, here's what it would include:
1. script only - so i can put it in whatever i want
2. customizable presets
3. splitting option
4. customizable private thank you message that includes a conversion of their tip amount into US$ (Would other currencies be desirable?)
5. customizable public message & floater text
6. multiple give-away option
What would you expect to pay for a custom script? I asked the scripter of the one I use to make some small changes in it for me. When I asked him what he would charge, he said he'd do it for free (I paid $60L for the original). When I pressed that I wanted to pay he just said I could tip him whatever I wanted.
I could ask him to make the above tip script. Would multiple people be interested in it? Could we devise the ultimate tip spec?
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ticious
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I'll be on board (and willing to put some money where my mouth is) but option 4 MUST be optional. I personally wouldn't ever turn it on
But for option 4, what you would need is for the user to have the ability to put in a conversion factor (which for Lindy-USD, they can get from the SL website as often as they care to update), since this changes (unless there's an LSL command that accesses the current rate?). If the user were putting in the conversion factor, they could make the conversion to any currency they felt was relavant. There should also be a variable that they could set to name the currency they were converting to.
Oh, I used to design software (biz end) for a living
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BabbleGrabble
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You've already got someone to make it, but if it so happens to not work out, I'd be happy to build it for free as well, simply for the benefit of our community. This is a great idea to get everything into one usable script, with the option to turn anything on or off.
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Distilled1
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option 4 I would want optional (2 scripts seperate)
#2 is a must (this is the blue pop up yeah?)
I can say that Silas split script is very customizable  Babble added the give shirt to mine as I kept placing it in the wrong line of code.
the split can be turned off in a run about way (pull all the note cards of owners but yourself)
flaoting text is always editable (if the script is MOD/COPY)
and thats my want a MOD/COPY/TRANS full perms for one not to sell but to be able to edit for those that are affraid to mess with LSL and give to others to use set for them.
I do like the PUBLIC message as many are private, it helps to get it in the chat and reminds others...
the multipul give away seems easy enough its adding to the give_inventory comand a list that is randomly chosen 1 item if you do give all it will give all each time. so there is something to call in the LSL to do this but I have yet to find a free thing that will .."YET" its out there everything is.
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BabbleGrabble
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| Distilled1 wrote: | | the multipul give away seems easy enough its adding to the give_inventory comand a list that is randomly chosen 1 item if you do give all it will give all each time. so there is something to call in the LSL to do this but I have yet to find a free thing that will .."YET" its out there everything is. |
Yes, I do plan on getting to this one as soon as I get a chance - the random giver should be fairly easy to do. However, you might beat me to it - if so, I want it too.
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EvaMoon
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Re item 4, my script has a set conversion factor for $-L. It's really an approximation. I ran into this first when I tipped Kyle Beltran $300L and got a message thanking me for my tip and letting me know it was about US$1.11.
Do you think it's off-putting? I suppose someone might feel uncomfortable if they got a message saying "Thank you for your generous tip! That's US$0.09"
I found it to be a reality check and I've been tending to give bigger tips since then.
Fos Dagger wrote the script and I'm sure he'd be willing to help. But if we have the ability in-house to create a dream script, I'd chip in for it.
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RayW
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I find any tip jar that says how much I tipped (whether in $L or $US) to be a little embarrassing. I do like the ones that add "Great Tip" or "Generous Support" if over a certain amount.
But, that's just me. And, I try to thank everyone the same. But, maybe a little more appreciative of the more generous.
So, #2 is BIG, #3 is good, #4 is REALLY BIG (because it's private)
But, all those items are good to have in a jar/board and are all things I look for when looking
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Zak Claxton
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | Do you think it's off-putting? |
No. I think it's completely and totally insulting. "Off-putting" doesn't begin to do it justice.
I thank every n00b who tips me L$10. I don't care in the slightest that it's equal to $0.04. They don't need to be insulted for offering me anything.
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ticious
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Eva, some people will take it as an insult. Some may take it as informative and enlightening, but some will take it as a snub of their generosity. How I know this is that there are a couple people who have told me they will never again tip, I assume Kyle unless someone else if using it. Neither of them told me who the artist was, only that they found it highly insulting.
No, not everyone will respond that way. But some will. How many is real hard to say, but I heard this from two different people who don't know each other.
Part of the problem is that, in a world where you can buy a full outfit for $1.11, people think in terms of that being a decent amount of money. Very few are thinking in real life monetary terms yet.
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Zak Claxton
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| ticious wrote: | | Very few are thinking in real life monetary terms yet. |
Absolutely. But I also think of it like this: when I was brand new, Kat and I would camp in chairs for an hour to make L$12. I was determined to not feed any money into this "game", so when I tipped Keiko Takamura L$10 at my first SL show, it meant a lot to me regardless of the relative meaninglessness of the equivalent sum of USD.
If her tip jar had shouted out, "Hey, cheapskate, you just gave me four pennies," I'd be a) totally turned off SL music, and b) never gone to see one of Keiko's shows again.
I had three noobs at my show yesterday, and as those people continue in SL, they'll be tipping me L$100, L$300, L$500 soon enough. In the meantime, I not only took their small tips but thanked them for it over the mic. That's why I'd never use one of those conversion tip jars.
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EvaMoon
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Wow. Strong reactions. I also thank everyone for every tip, warmly, out loud, no matter what the amount. I certainly don't want to be insulting people.
I remember one time I was in a third world country haggling with a street vendor over a purse I wanted to buy. We went back and forth and back and forth about the final amount until I finally stopped and did the mental math and realized i was arguing over about 20 cents, US.
SL is like a third world country in some ways too. Lot's of homeless, lot's of unemployment, crappy currency. But that's on the surface. The people are ALL tourists from richer countries. Problem is, they've gone native and forgotten that they are getting a deal they couldn't approach at home.
We've done that too on the other side - delighted to play and sing our hearts out for $12.
Perhaps the problem with giving people a reality check is that people don't want to think about reality in world. But it's kind of a hard line to draw when you start talking about RL/SL commerce. Musicians and venue owners aren't the only ones trying to make money. It must be just as frustrating for clothing designers when they can't get someone to drop $50L (about 19 cents) on a full outfit.
What to do? What to do?
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Zak Claxton
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | I remember one time I was in a third world country haggling with a street vendor over a purse I wanted to buy. We went back and forth and back and forth about the final amount until I finally stopped and did the mental math and realized i was arguing over about 20 cents, US. |
Great analogy!
The difference between clothing design and music performance (and I speak from experience, with my darling Kat having run a successful design company in SL) is that you invest the time into designing a shirt, let's say, and it only sells for L$150 (about 60 cents, let's say). But ideally, you can sell that same shirt to 300 people, and your hour you spent designing it nets you L$45,000 (about $180 USD).
So, that's a worthwhile hour. An hour of playing music gets me about $20 USD at a good show. The shirt designer kicks my ass measured by income.
Whether in real life or SL, like I tell everyone, music is not a Get Rich Quick scheme. We must enjoy this, or something, cause we're sure not in it for the money.
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Tessira2
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| Zak Claxton wrote: | | ticious wrote: | | Very few are thinking in real life monetary terms yet. |
Absolutely. But I also think of it like this: when I was brand new, Kat and I would camp in chairs for an hour to make L$12. I was determined to not feed any money into this "game", so when I tipped Keiko Takamura L$10 at my first SL show, it meant a lot to me regardless of the relative meaninglessness of the equivalent sum of USD.
If her tip jar had shouted out, "Hey, cheapskate, you just gave me four pennies," I'd be a) totally turned off SL music, and b) never gone to see one of Keiko's shows again.
I had three noobs at my show yesterday, and as those people continue in SL, they'll be tipping me L$100, L$300, L$500 soon enough. In the meantime, I not only took their small tips but thanked them for it over the mic. That's why I'd never use one of those conversion tip jars. |
I'll skip writing up my experience as a noob story and just echo Zak. IMO It's not educational, it's insulting. Irregardless of how much you toss into the tip jar. 
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EvaMoon
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Points taken. I guess I need to change my tip script.
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ticious
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IMO, the only answer to the way people feel about the SL economy vs. the RL economy is TIME TIME TIME.
People come in thinking of the WHOLE world as a game. That includes any portion of it...music, clothes, sex, all of it. Have you ever heard Nad's Amsterdam story about the naked woman and the guy arguing with her over a quarter? It's a hoot...but it's also SL!!!
The folks who don't come in, like Zak, thinking they will never sock a real life penny into this 'game' are in Second Life to make a killing somehow. The overwhelming majority of them (tho, not all) end up giving up before long because there hasn't been any 'get rich quick' in world since Ansche Chung conquered the virtual land market. Sorry, but that's a once in a virtual world type of thing and it's already happened in SL.
But if SL REALLY is the future of the internet, this attitude will change over time as people come to think of it that way instead of as a game. We're just laying the ground work. Hopefully, it will pay off for us some day. But I'm not staking my retirement on it I'm just enjoying the ride.
Note to self: Get that damn texture store back up!! I put HOURS into those textures ages ago, but they STILL have the ability to bring me about $50 to $100 USD per month. All I have to do is get that damn SLEXchange magic box placed and running again.
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RayW
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| ticious wrote: | | Note to self: Get that damn texture store back up!! I put HOURS into those textures ages ago, but they STILL have the ability to bring me about $50 to $100 USD per month. All I have to do is get that damn SLEXchange magic box placed and running again. |
Note to Ticious: What textures? Where? Gotta have more textures! 
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Zak Claxton
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| ticious wrote: | | We're just laying the ground work. Hopefully, it will pay off for us some day. But I'm not staking my retirement on it I'm just enjoying the ride. |
And for me, that "enjoying the ride" is the payoff. If I never got anything from SL than what I've already gotten in terms of friendship and enjoyment, it'd still be worth 10 times what I pay for the experience.
But I share the idea with you that SL and similar environments are still in their infancy. On a personal basis, with me working on an album this year, my exposure as a musician in SL even as it is today is priceless in an age where I can't count on traditional means of artist/music promotion.
As time goes by, SL (or whatever the predominant metaverse ends up being) will indeed replace what we think of as the WWW today. At that point, all of us will benefit from the experiences we're learning now. But it ain't always easy being a pioneer out here in the wilderness.
I'd say we're all doing pretty well.
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Sally Silvera
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Seeing as this has turned into a tip jar thingy and I've not commented on those much before........
As a fan and tipper, I would have to say I truly find any tip jar that tells me I've only paid someone for half a latte embarrassing and off-putting. Next you'll want to know how much I pay for my coffee.....
Besides.... I can only afford so many lattes at a time .... or drink so much coffee at a time
I prefer the discreet ones....I don't need to know how much anyone has tipped ... I don't need anyone else to know how much or little I have tipped ...
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Jojamela Soon
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I find any tip jar that either displays or announces the amount that someone is tipping extremely distasteful.
I also want to thank Babble for giving me his script today!! It's just what I was looking for
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Nad
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I loathe the tip jars that announce how much I tip. I am very sorry I did tip each time the amount I tip is announced to everyone there. I also dislike the tip jars that have rigged the buttons to show amounts 100L and up. I find it presumptuous. It's like "minimum tip".
I get all kindsa tips. Undies, bras, gadgets, and lindies from 1L and up. Each time someone does whatever they do to show appreciation for what I do it is (for me) the pay off. That may be a newb saying "this guy is good". That newb might not even $5L. Oh sure, in RL that person has money - I mean they are on a puter connected high-speedsomely. But they haven't invested in a virtual world. Most probably think the idea of paying for imaginary things like clothes and houses seems downright silly. They haven't been sucked in yet. A person who gives me 10L is probably expressing the same thing a person is who gives me 1000L relative to their virtual worth (not their RL bank account). It's simply a virtual "I like what yer doin". A virtual statement in a virtual world.
My feeling is this (and it isn't a prescription). If I wanted to make money with what I do, SL is a pretty stoopit place to do that, and if I was out to make money doin what I do and using SL to make an imagined fortune I'd pretty much be an idjit, and not in the virtual sense.
For me it's all virtual baby. If I can make enough to pay rent on my virtual land, be able to purchase virtual clothing, and still have some lindies to sock away for that Xcite part I dream of having one day then I am a successful virtual musician in a virtual world.
I mean the scale is what 1 dollar = 270 lindies? If you can make your talent for performage translate from lindie to dollar scale - that is yer able to pay yer real rent, buy real clothes, and still have enought for real honest to gawd actual pay per call phone sex, yer still an idjit cause you coulda been a genius instead of a performer.
So if I can't expect to make my real living in SL, it's hardly appropriate for me to expect the punters to provide more than virtual expressions of appreciationage.
edit: the werds "you" and "yours" and "yer" are ENTIRELY rhetorical and not aimed toward anyone, or at anyone's post. I'm just sayin is all.
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EvaMoon
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Ok ok ok! I get the message. If my script offends thee I'll pluck it out. I wish someone had mentioned it sooner!
Back to the wishlist for the ultimate tip script then:
1. script only - so i can put it in whatever i want
2. customizable presets
3. splitting option
4. customizable private thank you message
5. customizable public message & floater text (including whether or NOT to mention the name or amount of the last tipper/tip)
6. multiple give-away option
7. full perms
Do we have one like this?
(btw, I have never used a tip script that announced names or amounts publicly - I loathe them as well. The offending message was private only)
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Zak Claxton
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | Ok ok ok! I get the message. If my script offends thee I'll pluck it out. I wish someone had mentioned it sooner! |
Eva, don't take it personally... you certainly aren't the only one who's used this script. I'm sure it seemed like a great idea at the time, for all the apparent reasons.
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BabbleGrabble
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Jo, you're very welcome - please do let me know if you want to add or remove anything.
Eva, I doubt one of those exists yet ... it would be very cool to hear from Silas on this, as the best script would be an add-on to his most excellent tip-splitting script. Again, I'd be happy to do the work on this (time permitting).
Since everyone isn't going to agree on every feature, the ideal script will have a toggle off for each option, which Eva had already suggested.
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ticious
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I have NO scripting ability (and loathe coding in any form), but would be happy to work on specs or contribute financially to a scripter to get the tip script Eva has described....especially if it could have nice menus for the artist to choose from (i.e. be dummy proof). I'm amazed how many musicians in SL actually have excellent scripting skills, but on the flip side, some of the least technical people in SL are musicians.
Also, if such a script were developed, I would be happy to either make it available in my info center for free or let the developer sell it there at a reasonable price.
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Tessira2
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | I wish someone had mentioned it sooner! |
Er, sooner than 4 hours after you posted you found the script? Someone did mention it.
As for the tip jar, I'll add that having a tip jar that also provides links to your web page/s can be very handy. Most musicians seem to at least have a myspace page if not several websites with their music on it.
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EvaMoon
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I've been using the script for several weeks and I thought I'd mentioned it here once before. I haven't had a single comment (though I know that means nothing).I expect a lot of people don't even notice the messages - especially if it's a chatty crowd.
But anyway. Let's just relegate that to the past.
I'd also be willing to chip in for the script. Nice menus for making choices are cool. I'm okay with following instructions to edit text files, but as long as we're making a spec here, let's make it good for all levels of users.
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Zak Claxton
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You know (thinking about tip jars and such): I actually do like the fact that my tip jar shows the last amount tipped (anonymously, natch).
It at least sets a bit of a standard so that people have a range of what's normal. If you're a n00b, you may only have L$10 to kick down, but at least you're aware that other folks are tipping in the hundreds. And possibly, you hope to get to a point where you're comfortable doing the same.
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Jojamela Soon
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good point Zak, as long as it doesn't say who did it
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ticious
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I don't think too many people have a problem with the amount, though it could be very discouraging to the newb who just spend a full hour camping to come up with a 10L tip.
And it's not real hard to figure out who tipped how much when you see a 1000L tip and then hear the musician thank the tipper
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Zak Claxton
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| ticious wrote: | | And it's not real hard to figure out who tipped how much when you see a 1000L tip and then hear the musician thank the tipper |
True! But I thank all my tippers, every one. Since I do this between songs and I usually have 4-5 people to thank, it's a little less obvious.
Though, I got a L$1000 at my show on Monday and inadvertently let out a "Whoaaaa!!!"
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EvaMoon
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Zak, I wouldn't think it's a bad thing to have a strong reaction to an extra-large tip. You wouldn't reveal the amount out loud, but a spontaneous "Wow!" would probably be gratifying to the tipper.
If I gave someone a $1000L tip, I'd be listening for some kind of reaction. Half the reason people tip is for the interaction - the feeling that you affected something going on live. It's what makes live shows different from the radio.
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BabbleGrabble
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I sometimes end up "overthanking" on the L$10 tip ... not sure why, I guess it stands out more.
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Zak Claxton
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | If I gave someone a $1000L tip, I'd be listening for some kind of reaction. |
Oh, I reacted alright.
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BabbleGrabble
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| BabbleGrabble wrote: | | Yes, I do plan on getting to this one as soon as I get a chance - the random giver should be fairly easy to do. However, you might beat me to it - if so, I want it too. |
Distilled, I've completed the random giverizer script portion - IM me if you want to use what I came up with (as well as anyone else, for that matter).
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BabbleGrabble
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The ultimate script (as outlined by Eva) is nearly complete. I have not incorporated Silas' splitting script as of yet, as I want to get his approval first; if he's okay with it, the incorporation should be a quick procedure. Here is what it does:
On rezzing, gives you the toggle status of each option. Touch the jar to pull up that blue dialog menu. Options are to toggle on or off: tip splitting (pending approval), random item distribution, hovering tip statistics, private thank you message (customizable within script), boosted tip defaults; followed by a Status button to check the toggle status of each option. There are additional settings that can be easily changed within the script.
If anyone wants to do an early test-run of the script in its current state, let me know. It is really, really cool!
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Zak Claxton
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You crazy, Alfalfa!
Yeah, I'd like to check it out. I'll hit you up in world.
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BabbleGrabble
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Thought I saw you online, so I sent one over - then it said you weren't there - lol. If you didn't get it, let me know.
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EvaMoon
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Can't wait to get the new script!
I've been musing about the splitting part. I'm in favor of the idea, but I'm not sure if I'm in favor of having the tip jar announce the fact.
I came across one at Rocky Shores the other day. I tipped the artist and got a thanks from the "splitting tip jar" which resulted in the following thread of thought:
First of all, I don't think most people would know what a splitting tip jar is or what it means. But I do, so it left me with a small dilemma. Say I decide to tip an artist $400L. So I pay that much to the tip jar and get the splitting message back. So now, I realize I've probably tipped the artist $300, not $400. Do I tip him again? And what about the house? I might have tipped the house $200 or $300, but now I've probably already tipped the house $100. Is that it? Should I toss another $100-200 into the pot?
Oy.
And all this time, all I really want to do is enjoy the music and chat with friends.
I'm not saying we shouldn't split, but maybe it should be a private matter between the artist and the venue. And maybe at tips only gigs, the splitting should go both ways, so that at the end of the night, venue and artist both have the agreed percentages of tips.
I haven't had a splitting tip jar yet but I've made private agreements with the venue to toss a certain percentage of my tips in their jar at the end of the night. And it's no one's business but ours.
Unless I'm missing something obvious (always a distinct possibility)
Eva
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Jojamela Soon
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it's really a catch 22 for me. I find if the artist announces that they have a splitting tip jar, I don't get very many direct tips to the venue, but then usually I make more anyway because of the splitting tip jar.
Which leads me to another thought...... wonder what some artists would think of my using a splitting tip jar. Instead a fee you get a split of the tips that come to the venue.
/me ducks
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ticious
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | And all this time, all I really want to do is enjoy the music and chat with friends. |
| EvaMoon wrote: | | I haven't had a splitting tip jar yet but I've made private agreements with the venue to toss a certain percentage of my tips in their jar at the end of the night. And it's no one's business but ours. |
Both are excellent points. All the listener wants to do, and should be expected to want to do, is enjoy the music. They shouldn't be trying to do math in their heads. And ALL financial arrangements, whether to do with tips or fees or a quick cyber after the show should be private negotiations carried out between the venue and the artist (or their representative).
| Jojamela Soon wrote: | | I find if the artist announces that they have a splitting tip jar, I don't get very many direct tips to the venue, but then usually I make more anyway because of the splitting tip jar. |
I've had similar experience in that I get very few direct venue tips when a split tip jar is used, except that I don't do better through the split tip jar. Lots of people who tip the musician L$200 and would also tip the venue L$200 or L$100 will assume the venue is taken care of by the split. But the usual split is 20%-25%. Myself, I tip the musician L$200 and the venue L$500 and I don't think I'm alone there). On the other hand, with the split tip jar, I get a split of tips from people who wouldn't be tipping the venue at all, so there is a flip side such that it just about balances out. But the fact is, Rocky Shores ALWAYS does best when the musician reminds the audience to tip the venue. Splitting tip jars will never replace than one or two very brief announcements per show.
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Sally Silvera
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Just my 2L ......
| ticious wrote: | | All the listener wants to do, and should be expected to want to do, is enjoy the music. They shouldn't be trying to do math in their heads. |
This is soo true. I'm with Eva in that the splitting thing confuses me no end..... Plus I'm rubbish at math!!!
| ticious wrote: | | And ALL financial arrangements, whether to do with tips or fees or a quick cyber after the show should be private negotiations carried out between the venue and the artist (or their representative). |
Indeed!
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Jojamela Soon
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| ticious wrote: | | a quick cyber after the show should be private negotiations |
ROFL, now THAT would have NEVER occurred to me, omg!
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ticious
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Let me just clarify, it hasn't worked for me
Personally, I blame Silas for this failure.....his intro to Nekophilia has done horrible things to my love life (mostly the part about having dinner AFTER).
But for a pretty, blonde human like you Jo, maybe . . . . . .
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luketemplar
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| ticious wrote: | And ALL financial arrangements, whether to do with tips or fees or a quick cyber after the show should be private negotiations carried out between the venue and the artist (or their representative).
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I would like to announce that my venue is now a cyber only venue. Musicians will be playing there for a quick cyber afterwards with the staff member of your choice. We are generally accomodating and will try most things however , we draw the line at paedophillia, nekophillia and well really any phillia at all is not cool. (Except mabbe icecreamophillia which is just cold) Please note that we will not cyber the managers - only the musicians directly.
| EvaMoon wrote: | | I haven't had a splitting tip jar yet but I've made private agreements with the venue to toss a certain percentage of my tips in their jar at the end of the night. And it's no one's business but ours. |
I totally agree with the arrangement being private. And I like your idea about there only being one tip jar if there's splitting going on. In that way, there's potentially more revenue for both sides as the audience only needs to tip one. There is one venue I know of that does this - not sure if the owner is still doing this. However the tips go through a tip jar that belongs to the owner before they are split to the musician. And as you can see from this thread here, most people prefer to tip the musician directly.
I was kidding about the cyber only venue btw.
Luke - champion leg humper and all round nice doggie
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hexx
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as a notoriously lazy person, i like splitting tipjars: one click and both artist and venue get some lindens for their great work. there are days (mostly fridays and saturdays) that i wish all artists would have a splitting tip jar.
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EvaMoon
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It's only easier if you know in advance it's a splitting tip jar (and know what that means). In the case I mentioned, I didn't realize it until AFTER I tipped and got the thank you message. Then I was left with math homework.
Sure, those of us who are regulars will get to know the system and what to expect at various places, but I'm guessing there are quite a few who might have tipped the venue AND the artist and then decide they're done after they tip the artist and see the tip has been split. Everyone gets a little less than they might have otherwise.
I'm not saying don't have splitters. I'm just saying don't bring the audience into private financial arrangements.
And personally, I find it difficult to focus on that quick cyber after the show with all the post-show IMs and chat going on...
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BabbleGrabble
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Zak, I just sent you an updated script - it needed a security patch. I think the one I sent you previously allowed anyone to access the menu. The new one should prevent that from happening.
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Zak Claxton
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| BabbleGrabble wrote: | | Zak, I just sent you an updated script - it needed a security patch. I think the one I sent you previously allowed anyone to access the menu. The new one should prevent that from happening. |
Ah, I was wondering why I got another one. Thank BG... I'll check it out, possibly setting it up for tonight's show if I have a spare couple of minutes beforehand. You rock.
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Zak Claxton
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I installed Babble's script and will try it at my 5:00 show at Crystal Sands. I'll let you know how it goes, but it seems to be working fine in tests. Nice job man.
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Distilled1
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Alright yeah Babbler I want one I'll try and catch you in world!
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BabbleGrabble
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I sent one your way, Distilled - let me know if you don't receive it. I sure wish I wasn't on a bus at 5 so I could test it out from the other side of things, as well as see an undoubtedly excellent show. Thanks for being the first to give it a go, Zak - I will be using it tomorrow, pending your feedback.
EDIT - Here is my latest sculptie tip jar
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Distilled1
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Got it will have to test it out tomorrow at the open mic if I have time to get it all set
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Zak Claxton
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| BabbleGrabble wrote: | | Thanks for being the first to give it a go, Zak - I will be using it tomorrow, pending your feedback. |
My feedback arriveth...
It's great. I immediately went in and adjusted some settings in the script... changed my tip response to, "Thanks for the tip! You rock!". I messed around with the floating text names and so on. I screwed around with all the settings a bit, and everything I could want a tip jar to be, it is.
I'm not using tip splitting (nor will I, as far as I can tell, in the future), nor am I currently offering any inventory items, but I tested that and it was working fine.
Anyway, I don't know how much of that code you hand-carved and how much was picked up and reimplemented, Babble, but it's great, and nicely written, and very functional. It's easy to make adjustments, and your notes within the script should allow just about anyone to change to their preferences accordingly.
One quick question (and it's probably there but I didn't spend enough time rooting around for it): can you change the color of the floating text? It's a kind of light green, and that's not bad, but I thought I might like it to be white. I probably just didn't see the code for it.
Excellent work, and thanks.
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BabbleGrabble
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Outstanding - thanks so much, Zak. Some bits and pieces were recycled from some other projects here and there, but the bulk of the code had to be freshly written, as it's a pretty specific range of functionality.
Regarding the text color - it can be changed, but it's not one of the quick adjustable settings at the top, so that's something that can easily be added. Thank you for bringing that up - it's something that came to mind a while ago and I forgot to make that a variable. I'll be sure to add that in.
I'm so glad it worked out successfully, and will be polishing the whole thing up very soon. Thanks again for the feedback and for braving the testing waters.
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Tessira2
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Was there a setting or something for website links?
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BabbleGrabble
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| Tessira2 wrote: | | Was there a setting or something for website links? |
Not in this script, but something can be added - I am not yet envisioning how Web links would work, though. Would it be part of a private message, or a place to click on (the touch can be set for non-owners of the tip jar to open a url - that might be nice, with the option to turn it off, of course).
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Tessira2
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The current tip jars we're using the touch opens up a menu with a choice of web sites to go to (mySpace, 61, regular web site, etc). I spose a simpler yes/no navigation menu would work also.
I see a lot of artists repeating their web addresses over the mic. What a hassle!
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BabbleGrabble
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Well, what I'm thinking is that the menu for the owner brings up the toggle on or off to provide Web URL's (in addition to all the other toggles), but the menu for anyone else will bring up an entirely different menu, listing the Web site buttons. Definitely seems like a nice feature.
EDIT: That feature has now been added - thanks, Tess.
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BabbleGrabble
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Question for Eva (and anyone else who wants to jump in): is there a need for private text AND public text for thanking? It seems to me that you don't really need to thank someone twice, but maybe you have something else is in mind (like a private message talking about your group or something). For now, I have built in the option to make the customizable text private OR public, but can add both if needed.
Beyond that I have incorporated just about everything else I've seen mentioned EXCEPT:
- last tipper's name in floater text - didn't seem appropriate to display the amount next to someone's name.
- conversion to currency, as it stirs up an unnecessary potential for being insulting
If people really want these things, they CAN be added - I'm just going with the tone of the thread.
Also, special thanks to Silas for letting me incorporate his kick-ass splitting script. You rock, man.
This is nearly done and ready to use, folks, but I will need testers, as I cannot do enough testing on my own. The last version I gave to Zak (and others - you know who you are) I was very confident with; however, what I have now is much more complex, so it is definitely in BETA phase and you will be using it at your own risk. I plan to use it immediately, of course.
I'll let you know when it's ready for testing.
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EvaMoon
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No need for public AND private messages on my account, but perhaps others can think of reasons they might want it.
I'm ready and willing to beta test.
Thanks so much for all the work on this!
Eva
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Distilled1
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will do a test as soon as you want
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EvaMoon
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So, I got the script! Yay!
It works great as far as I can tell so far, except I can't figure out how to set the preset amounts. Nothing I've tried seems to work there.
But I've got a nifty little fortune cookie I'm giving away and the floating text is just the color I want and I've customized my thank you message. So cool.
Haven't tried the splitting yet, but it's good to know it's there when needed.
Thanks soooooo much! I can't wait to roll it out at a gig (Monday unless something crops up sooner).
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BabbleGrabble
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Thanks, Eva ... if there is no error message spoken to you, are you sure you have "Tip Boost" turned on? Glad all else is good and please do keep the feedback coming.
I am still distributing (I ran out of time today), so I haven't forgotten those of you who want it and didn't get it ... you will have it very soon.
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EvaMoon
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Yes. I have Tip Boost turned on, but I don't understand how it works. I just want to set some specific amounts.
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Zak Claxton
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | Yes. I have Tip Boost turned on, but I don't understand how it works. I just want to set some specific amounts. |
Open the script (double-click it), and scroll down to the area where he has the tip boost amounts set.
Change those amounts, hit "save", and schla-BAM!
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BabbleGrabble
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What Zak said - there are settings for the Tip Boost (look for ----- Tip Boost :: settings -----). If you still have problems, let me know, and feel free to IM me if you see me inworld.
I think I covered the distribution, so if I missed anyone who wants it and didn't get it, let me know.
I also forgot to mention that I am assuming you all already have Silas' Splitting TipJar script, with the notecards, which may or may not be true. To make the splitting work, the Beta script will need to REPLACE Silas' Splitting TipJar script, meaning his script needs to be removed from your tip jar altogether. All the notecards need to remain in the object's contents. If you do not have the notecards (and Silas' instructions), please let me know and I will send those on as well.
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EvaMoon
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I did that too. but the amounts did not change.
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BabbleGrabble
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Most likely, you found a bug in the latest script, Eva. I added an error-checking routine to that portion, which I thought I had tested, but it sounds broken. If so, I will fix it tomorrow. Thanks for letting me know!
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Norris Shepherd
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/me puts on host hat.
"Please don't forget to tip the talented tip scripter".
He was embarrassed when i gave him some linden, as i suspect that he truly just wanted to do something to help the music community, and was not necessarily looking for for any personal gain.
IMO, all the more reason to tip him....
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ticious
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BG and I have had a couple conversations on that and it's sure...he did this to benefit the community and not for the sake of his wallet, just like Silas.
They both deserve HUGE thanks and they both deserve to be compensated for their time to the extent folks can.
BIG HUGS!!
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BabbleGrabble
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/me is embarrassed again
Thanks so much, Norris, and thank you, ticious. You've already said it, but just to confirm, I am not looking for any payment. Silas really deserves the hugest of kudos and contributions for what he did with the splitting tip jar - that was an amazing task to take on. His clear coding made it easy to incorporate, too.
Eva, going back to the Tip Boost - I have been doing some testing and it is working for me. I think I will need to take a look at your version of the script, if you don't mind sending me a copy. Thanks.
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EvaMoon
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It's possible I just don't understand what I should be doing with it.
I set tip boost to ON. That alone didn't change anything. I scrolled down through the script to find the amounts and changed those. That didn't change anything either.
It's just not clear to me how it's supposed to work.
I'll send you my copy next time I'm in world.
Thanks!
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Zak Claxton
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| EvaMoon wrote: | | I scrolled down through the script to find the amounts and changed those. That didn't change anything either. |
1. Did you save the script after making those changes?
2. Are you sure you're working on the script that's installed in your tip jar?
If so, it shoulda worked. Hmmm.
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EvaMoon
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Oh, wait. I think I know. My tip button is part of a linked group of objects. I think I have to unlink the objects and link them again, selecting the tip object last. I came across this once before. I'll test that when I get in world.
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EvaMoon
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Ok, well that's frustrating.
In order to have the amounts show up, I need to select the tip object last. But if I do that, the script applies itself to ALL the objects - none of my other buttons (join group, go to website, free goodies) works. Anywhere you click on the sign, it's a tip jar.
If I select any other object last, the amounts revert to 1, 5, 10, 20.
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ticious
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Ah, right....this has to do with the 'main' prim in the object. When you click an object, the 'main prim' is the one that's highlighted in yellow (it's also the one selected last when you are joining a group of prims together into a single object...something REAL important to pay attention to when you're building). The script in it often controls the entire collection.
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BabbleGrabble
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Eva and I talked, and she very patiently outlined (thank you, Eva) an interesting issue that I've never come across before.
As ticious was just explaining, I expected this script to be placed in the ROOT prim if being used with a linked set for the tip jar. It is something I should have mentioned before, but as it turns out, it really isn't much of an issue EXCEPT for the the Tip Boost.
I didn't know this before, but the llSetPayPrice "... function doesn't operate in objects in linked set which are not roots. Only root object can set pay prices."
Eva, for specific technical reasons not worth explaining in full detail here, requires my script to NOT be in the root prim. So the only workaround we've come up with is to keep the tip prim unlinked to the rest of the tip jar, so that it remains its own root. Then, by selecting both objects and TAKING them, the resulting BUNDLED object will rez properly. The drawback is having to remove both objects (instead of just one) at the end of the show (Eva may actually end up needing to remove 3 objects).
Anyway, something to keep in mind - keep the script in the root prim. It's no fault on Eva's part at all - she really needs to do this the way she is doing it, so thanks again to Eva for bringing this issue to light.
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EvaMoon
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And thanks to Babs for patiently working it through!
My sign works just great now as far as I can tell - it may need some further testing and tweaking. But this is just great!
I really like having an "all-in-one" sign with tips, join group, freebies and website all buttons people can click on. It smooths setup to only have to rez my sign and my keyboard. I even keep copies oriented in different directions so I don't have to rotate anything on stage. If the stage points south, I just pull my gear out of the "south" folder. The sign is designed to work both north/south and east/west, so I only have to update two copies when I change it - not four. I'd rather spend a little extra time at home with these things than have to mess with them at shows. I just need to always remember to delete both the sign and the tip button when I go.
Now who's got the best "join my group" script? Mine just puts a note in the chat and i have to scroll carefully back through the room chat and collect all the names to send invites to. pah.
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BabbleGrabble
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The best group tool that I've worked with is to send a private message with the SL search link to your group - you click the link and it pulls up your group window, so all the person has to do is click on the "Join" button.
I'm all ears - it would be great to include the best group add feature that we've all seen. It drives me nuts that you can't just script an invite.
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Distilled1
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mine seems to work on the Chopper. I don't know what prim its in LOL I just copy and pasted went and did all the edits I wanted and it seems to work the boost I set show 100 pre loaded and then my custom amounts 69,250,420,1000 have 2 working fine so far.
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ticious
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In my previous job, I used to write both design specifics and documentation for software. If you all would like to drop me notes on stuff you find with BG's script (and I have a copy I'll play with...I did Quality Assurance testing also), I'll be happy to write up a note card he can package with it so other people can know these 'tricks' .
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BabbleGrabble
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Very cool, thank you, ticious.
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Silas Scarborough
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| Norris Shepherd wrote: | /me puts on host hat.
"Please don't forget to tip the talented tip scripter".
He was embarrassed when i gave him some linden, as i suspect that he truly just wanted to do something to help the music community, and was not necessarily looking for for any personal gain.
IMO, all the more reason to tip him.... |
This part is sticky. I never took a dime for the splitter script and that was by design as I wanted no confusion over my motives. This is open source code which, by general philosophy, is free. Sending tips to Babblegrabble isn't really paying for the code so, technically, you're not buying it but be careful where you're going with this.
I'm not going to do a Reslez and turn around to say I was kidding about not wanting to make money. I just suggest caution on handling this tipjar stuff as this side of things is super-sensitive to everyone.
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BabbleGrabble
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Thanks, Silas, that is what makes me uncomfortable about the tips and I still don't really know how to handle it. I really do appreciate it, and thank you for thinking of it, Norris - however, it is sticky, as Silas said.
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ticious
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It's kind of a shame that it's so sticky, but that is reality I suppose. Oh well, maybe just throw undies.
Oh, wrong thread.
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luketemplar
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Undies can be sticky too.
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ticious
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Ick
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BabbleGrabble
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Luke, that undie comment sure put a quick halt to this thread. LOL
Let me know how the script is working out - I am using it and it has worked great for me so far, although I haven't yet solicited feedback from the other side.
I have also been testing out an add-on to the Web Links component, adding a "Group" button, which IM's a link to pull up the group window. This works well, but to use it, one has to find their group's ID (easiest way is to do a search for the group, using the search tool in the upper-right corner). This key needs to be inserted into the script - haven't found a user-friendly way of incorporating it, but it works well.
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