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ticious
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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That's "Ticious Trottier" or "Woodstock Burliegh" in world, Jo . . . im either one of us if you want Nad. At least, if you want him on your stage. And if you want him on your stage for the sole purpose of playing music. You want him any other way, leave me outta it please.
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Zak Claxton
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Posts: 2008
Location: Podul/33/243/154/
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| vonjohin wrote: | | Well when you say somebody's logic is flawed, it comes across like they don't think the right way, and that your following example would be the correct logic that was not flawed. So maybe it did bug you? |
Not in the slightest. I love diversity in the world, and not everyone has to share my opinion about anything at all. I'd be bored as hell if everyone agreed with me all the time. 
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vonjohin
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 458
Location: Nashville, TN
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: Re: How much to tip? |
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Your perception of my postings is unfortunate. It seems it is predisposed with some people that I'm condescending. Its not the truth, but if you want to read it that way, I don't think I can avoid it now that's its in your mind that its my intent, now matter what I do to try to show otherwise. How unfortunate. I'm sorry you feel that way, truly, I am. I never directed a disparaging comment at you or any other venue owner, and nothing I said she have been construed as such. I'm done with discussing it, the more I do, the worse it gets. I never said a foul word against you, or your venue, or your personal judgment and I don't know what makes you think I did.
So we disagree. Don't take it personally. I do judge the quality of a venue owner's work on their judgment in booking acts. And once again, I guess I have to be clear that there is a difference between acts I don't enjoy stylistically and acts that really should spent a lot more time rehearsing before playing in public. If a venue books consistently acts that simply are not ready to be playing in front of people, who can't sing on key, who can't sing in tune or on time, who pay out of tune instruments, etc., etc., I think it will definitely reflect on the venue owner if its consistently that way.
| Jojamela Soon wrote: | Von,
I think it was pretty obvious that your comment on the judging abilities of venue owners was directed at venue owners, I'm a venue owner, ergo your comment was directed at me, (not me personally of course- I do understand that). All I was trying to say is that people judge musicians by different standards. Standards, tastes, likes, dislikes vary by the individual, something what may not be up to par in your mind may very well be wonderful to someone else.
I do disagree with you, I don't think that the majority of people judge a venue based on the musicians that play there, if they did I wouldn't have the fan group that I have, I wouldn't have the same people coming back all the time no matter who was playing and I wouldn't have the consistent income from those same people who help me to continue to do what I do.
That's what I was trying to say in my earlier response to the question in your post , simply that I disagree with your blanket statement that | Quote: | | The quality of their work is directly tied to their judgment in booking an act, isn't it? |
And I do find it insulting to assume or accuse or imply that any venue owner has bad judgment simply based on one's difference in musical taste.
Your post in response to mine was most definitely directed at me personally: | Quote: | | Jo, do you not agree that the quality of the act booked reflects the judgment of the venue operator? |
....(snip)... | Quote: | Jojamela, indeed, the quality of their work is directly tied to the judgment of the venue owner for booking them and in those cases I ain't tipping anyone.
Do you book acts that fit that bill? |
I responded again that I disagree and why. What I don't understand is your reply to that posting, and I'm sorry you don't realize the condescending attitude towards me that it portrays. I've tried very hard to make sure that my posts reflect my own thoughts on the subject without allowing them to become personal or sarcastic. If I came across that way I do apologize.
Very simply stated, I disagree with you, that doesn't make you a bad person, or wrong or anything like that. I simply disagree, I don't think that people judge me or my venue simply based on the acts that I book, I think they judge me based on the work that I've done and that I do every day to bring music to SL.
In response to your last posting, no, I don't judge a venue by the artist that is playing on their stage. I judge it based on how hard they are working to make the venue a pleasant place to be. I don't do it in real life either. We have a local bar that we hang out at, they have live musicians, sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad, but we always enjoy the atmosphere and buy the same number of drinks
| vonjohin wrote: | Now Jo, you don't think I directed an insulting comment to you personally, do you? Really? Come on. Maybe you're reading way too much into what I said and personalizing it. I'm hoping I don't get an post now from some knight in white satin lancing me for insulting you and Ticious, when I've not done anything of the sort.
People will judge you and your venue on the acts you are booking. You do it yourself in real life, everyone does.
If you find that insulting, I'm sorry. I think its the reality of how the real world and the virtual world is and how it works. We are known by the company we keep. Venues are known by the acts they book, and in turn, their management is judged that way by the public. Good, bad or indifferent. No reason to find human nature insulting. |
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elvisduffy
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Posts: 192
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Durned entertainin'. Feels like I dropped into a real family. Zak and Von are my heroes for that EM article. A little scrapin' behind the curtain seems normal enough in shobiz. 
My limited experience has been that SLers are way nice and helpful. I'm guessin some folks have put so much of themselves into their projects that it's pretty easy to twist their melons. Personally I appreciate how hard people have worked to create venues as well as musical acts. Plus there's kind of a utopian quality to virtual existance that renders criticism more biting than in RL. Just my armchair psychology.
Anyways, I'm going to try and git on a stage pretty soon. RL has been keeping me busy but that comes and goes.
As for tipping I'm takin' it to mean a 100L tip is kinda cheap but still acceptable.
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vonjohin
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Location: Nashville, TN
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Elvis, read this old thread: http://slmc.myfastforum.org/about537.html
It talks exactly about what I am talking about discussed by a lot of the folks replying to your question. It illustrates what I was talking about, nothing to do with musical styles. We all know suck when we hear it.
You asked a question about how much to tip. I answered it from my opinion and experience. I hope it was helpful.
| elvisduffy wrote: | Durned entertainin'. Feels like I dropped into a real family. Zak and Von are my heroes for that EM article. A little scrapin' behind the curtain seems normal enough in shobiz.
My limited experience has been that SLers are way nice and helpful. I'm guessin some folks have put so much of themselves into their projects that it's pretty easy to twist their melons. Personally I appreciate how hard people have worked to create venues as well as musical acts. Plus there's kind of a utopian quality to virtual existance that renders criticism more biting than in RL. Just my armchair psychology.
Anyways, I'm going to try and git on a stage pretty soon. RL has been keeping me busy but that comes and goes.
As for tipping I'm takin' it to mean a 100L tip is kinda cheap but still acceptable. |
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elvisduffy
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Posts: 192
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Hey ney ney vonjohin! I read it. There's a charm to SL, at least to me. Sort of like mom & pop life before the chains took over. Despite the population all looking like supermodels, it feels more like Mayberry. Kinda nice I think.
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Zak Claxton
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Posts: 2008
Location: Podul/33/243/154/
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| elvisduffy wrote: | | As for tipping I'm takin' it to mean a 100L tip is kinda cheap but still acceptable. |
It's a fine tip.
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Tommy CUlt
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Well, at first I sorta felt that I was the kind of performer that Von would blame a venue for lol....(might be true cause I know my fingers will turn to concrete if he rezzes during a gig lol) but ya know...all Von did was verbalise (or text-urise) what I do anyway. If a performer is not the style I like or I simply dont connect...I leave....if a venue is way too laggy I leave...if there are more people spamming than I care to mute I leave. I dont think about it, I just hit that event listing and see someone else.
We probably all do similar things. I guess what I think is important though, is many venues give people like me a chance to play - be it open mics or whatever. These venues are usually run by VERY encouraging and VERY patient people. They are here ...in many cases....to help SL residents who just happen to be into playing music - and in my case...I am more comfy on a fork lift than I am in front of an audience. I know there is a big different between those of you out there who are professional musicians and the amatures like me who just find this whole thing alot of fun - I dont sing to anyone in RL cept my kids and the dog lol - but I bet I can load a truck full of pallets with alot more finesse than most here....only in RL nobody tips me for that LOL.
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Doubledown Tandino
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Location: RAVELONG @ SLMC Info Island - SIM: Tivona
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