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Kim Seifert

Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 198 Location: Ohio
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Tommy CUlt
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 156
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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.... so, to sum up, it would seem the use of backing tracks is both acceptable and widespread - even some professional acoustic players use or consider using them. Not every person in SL will like every musicians music (go figure ) Most of all - have fun at what you do. This is SL, a place where people get to do things they may never have done in RL - sometimes this point is lost  _________________ TC |
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Bourque Rau

Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 58 Location: south carolina
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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anyone who performs in SL/RL is "putting it out there", expressing, sharing, creating ... I'm flummoxed about how their choice of performance is derided by some in both worlds. (And I ponder "is there a similar discussion for those musicians who ONLY play an instrument but don't sing?" ... )
Art/music is subjective, more so than most other endeavors we undertake.
I have my preferences, I rarely revisit a performer who doesn't suit me, there are genres of music that my ear doesn't crave. But if I'm in earshot of such a performance I always applaud and appreciate the effort.
in RL and SL, however, an artist of any genre whose work I may adore (whether music, art, literature, film) will find me absent from future performances if their off stage expressions, GRANTING them full right to express! ... pains me too deeply. 'cause I grant myself full right to miss out on experiences I might otherwise enjoy for sake of personal harmony. _________________ Bourque Rau |
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Silas Scarborough

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1175 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Kim Seifert wrote: | | Fyrm Fouroux wrote: | | hexx wrote: | | i love what lesser minds call karaoke. |
I'd be quite interested to know what the greater minds call it. |
I think they call it Karaoke!  |
Cute! _________________ Ever vigilant for da gooses overhead.
- Silas
My Web site is at myducksoup.com |
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Silas Scarborough

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1175 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not going to respond to what von Johin said. The next logical step based on his escalation would be to rip him up musically as he did for the second time with me but what's the point. He writes like he's paid by the word so there's no possible chance of winning any forum battle anyway. _________________ Ever vigilant for da gooses overhead.
- Silas
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EvaMoon

Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 449
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Bourque Rau wrote: | | I'm flummoxed about how their choice of performance is derided by some in both worlds. |
This is absolutely SOP for any musician in any world. There will always be critics and a performer needs to develop a thick enough skin to take the good advice, let the rest go and carry on.
Of course, there's always revenge. I got one terrible review. The critic hated my songs, hated my arrangements but hidden in all the muck was the phrase "great vocals" - which of course I blazoned on my PR.
"Abuse if you slight it, will gradually die away; but if you show yourself irritated, you will be thought to have deserved it."
Publius Cornelius Tacitus (55-117) Roman historian. _________________ EvaMoon Ember in SL
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Silas Scarborough

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1175 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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I've canceled all gigs in SL and will confine my activities to Eden. I trust this will be sufficient. _________________ Ever vigilant for da gooses overhead.
- Silas
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vonjohin

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 458 Location: Nashville, TN
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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For the record, I sent Silas several PM, the last of which sat unanswered for six weeks before I finally deleted it from being undelivered, asking him to cool it, take off the mean ad hoc things he said about me. He didn't want to answer or reply. The ad hoc insults remained. I asked for mod help. The mods never answered the PM, or even opened it, for over six weeks. I asked for help, here and in-world with him. I asked his "friends" to say something to him, ask him to tone it down. They would only say "Silas has issues" or "He's prone to these kind of things and they don't endear him to many." Help though, I could not get it.
Perhaps this time, the second time, that Silas has posted mean things about this forum, the people who "run" SL music in general, etc. and vowed to stay away it will really happen. When he did the mean insults last time, he ran away to his blog, posted nasty stuff about this forum and the people who use it, and stayed away about a week. Then he took that down from his site, hoping you wouldn't know, and came back to stir the pot.
If the mod had read the PM I sent, they would have seen I was trying very hard to take the high road and rise above this, but they never opened the PMs. Before Silas pushed, again and again like a taunting cyberbully, I never before returned fire. I always replied with "that was uncalled for" and tried to be adult about it. Six weeks, on only one of the worst examples of his nastiness, I watched my name get smeared for nothing. Nothing. After getting called on the carpet, he finally apologized.
I am not given to outburst like that. Silas pushed too far. I am sorry, to everyone but Silas, that I did this and they had to see it. If he thinks posting mean, ad hoc things about people is fair game to have left online and show up in Google searches, so be it. Now he has his own nice collection of mean things out there for people to find if they ever wanted to search for him.
If there is no moderation of mean, nasty, ad hoc insults to other posters, then the unfortunate result is that when a poster gets attacked he either lets the attack stay, which is then spidered by Google, and it is there forever, or it gets removed and hopefully falls off the search. Optionally, they are left to defend themselves. Finally, I defended myself. I've had to experience this in Google because Silas is a mean person who says mean things, so now he gets a taste of his own meds. Spider on, Google.
Again, I am sorry to everyone here for my outburst. I have never done this before and I don't see me every doing it again.
I will only add that WHEN I SEE HIS insults removed in their entirety, I will edit these posts to nothing. Its up to him. He threw the first punches in this battle he wanted with me. He can take the postings down. |
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ticious

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 2070 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| EvaMoon wrote: | "Abuse if you slight it, will gradually die away; but if you show yourself irritated, you will be thought to have deserved it."
Publius Cornelius Tacitus (55-117) Roman historian. |
Von, please read Eva's quote carefully and learn from it.
The mods aren't going to edit ANYONE'S posts. It's the policy of the forum. The only posts that will be edited are obvious, off topic spam and/or the posting of personal information such as someone's real life name, address or phone number. This is a deliberate decision so that we don't have to get hung up with drawing lines regarding what is or is not appropriate. We expect everyone to be adult and professional enough to mod themselves.
I don't know which mod you pm'd. If it was Slim. . . well she's just gotten back from several weeks holiday away from both SL and the forum. That's why we have multiple mods. If you had pm'd me or DD, we'd have explained this policy to you.
This is, has always been and will continue to be, the policy of this forum. We will not ban or delete accounts and we will not edit posts which do not fit the above criteria.
This is the last I'm gonna say on this issue. Please everyone (especially meaning Silas and Von), consider this thread closed and well and properly concluded with Bourque and Tommy's on topic posts above. The original topic is complete. _________________ Joy is in the ears that hear
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vonjohin

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 458 Location: Nashville, TN
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Its a wonderful quote. I like it. I tried the concept. The taunting continued.
Silas is a cyberbully. This is why he launches ad hoc attacks on people. Not just me. Oh, its far from just me. Read what he says to others, and to what he says to people not even here to defend themselves, like for example, Moody. Its a shame. The mods know where the line is drawn without having to get into minutia. The line is common courtesy. Its stuff we learned, or should have learned, in kindergarten. If you wouldn't want it said about you, you shouldn't say it about somebody else.
The only problem with Tacitus's approach is that he didn't factor in the 21st century and Google. The abuse no longer gradually dies away. It stays forever on the Internet, indexed, crawled and spidered for all to see. This is what makes moderation of ad hoc insults, mean-spirited, nasty things said to others in what is supposed to be a "community" a good thing.
I am, again, sorry for the outburst. I should not respond to a bully, it makes it worse. Every man has his breaking point. He broke me. I crossed that line. To you and the others, I apologize.
| ticious wrote: | | EvaMoon wrote: | "Abuse if you slight it, will gradually die away; but if you show yourself irritated, you will be thought to have deserved it."
Publius Cornelius Tacitus (55-117) Roman historian. |
Von, please read Eva's quote carefully and learn from it.
The mods aren't going to edit ANYONE'S posts. It's the policy of the forum. The only posts that will be edited are obvious, off topic spam and/or the posting of personal information such as someone's real life name, address or phone number. This is a deliberate decision so that we don't have to get hung up with drawing lines regarding what is or is not appropriate. We expect everyone to be adult and professional enough to mod themselves.
I don't know which mod you pm'd. If it was Slim. . . well she's just gotten back from several weeks holiday away from both SL and the forum. That's why we have multiple mods. If you had pm'd me or DD, we'd have explained this policy to you.
This is, has always been and will continue to be, the policy of this forum. We will not ban or delete accounts and we will not edit posts which do not fit the above criteria.
This is the last I'm gonna say on this issue. Please everyone (especially meaning Silas and Von), consider this thread closed and well and properly concluded with Bourque and Tommy's on topic posts above. The original topic is complete. |
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