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Jasmine Usher
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 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: A Piece of Advice for any "new" musician in SL |
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First of let me state for the record I am not looking for sympathy nor any fawning over the events that recently took place. This message is a warning for lack of a better term to anyone who is considering performing in Second Life. So without any further ado onward to the message.
Today I performed in SL and was told by the hostess it would be only for tips. Np thats fine. ONLY after I got done singing was I then informed by the hostess that the "managment" ask that the artists tip the venue 10% of every thousand Linden they received from the audience. I was in a hurry to enjoy the RL sun so I passed her some lindens and was done with it. Give an inch and they take a mile.
They can keep their lindens that where gotten by deceit and Thank you for the education on scammers in Second life. Anyone who is performing in Second Life Make sure you ask! if you are going to be charged to sing!
If anyone wishes to know the name of the venue please contact me inworld. I realize that none of this matters as they can simply create an alt and do it again.. However, I am compelled to speak up so that others may not fall into the same scam I did.
Still singing
Jas Usher
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Zak Claxton
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Whoa. Just so you know, after more than a year of performing in SL very often, that's a) never happened to me, and b) I'd tell the person to shove it so far up their asses that they'd have to reach down their throat for it, if it ever did.
I do tip back my venues, but if anyone TOLD me to do it, they can blow me.
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Jojamela Soon
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Jasmine, that's just so wrong! so sorry to hear that happened to you  
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Haroldthe Burrel
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| Zak Claxton wrote: | Whoa. Just so you know, after more than a year of performing in SL very often, that's a) never happened to me, and b) I'd tell the person to shove it so far up their asses that they'd have to reach down their throat for it, if it ever did.
I do tip back my venues, but if anyone TOLD me to do it, they can blow me. |
Especially to be told after the fact. I'd flip them the bird and then show them exactly where on my ass they could kiss.
Keep on plugging Jasmine.
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Silas Scarborough
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Jasmine, here's another vote of support. Changing the deal after it's made is not right any time, any place. They definitely did you wrong.
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vonjohin
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Re: A Piece of Advice for any "new" musician in SL |
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I'm sorry you had a bad go of it. It would be interesting to know what venue did this.
Like Zak, that has not happened to me here. |
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ticious
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My guess here Jasmine, is that these weren't scammers . . . they were novices who don't understand how business is done and were making up rules as they went along. Most likely, they're brand new to running shows, expected your tips to run to a couple hundred lindies, saw what you got and got greedy.
All that said, Zak is 100% right, that's exactly what you should have told them!!! If they are in fact novices (and well meaning), it would have been their first lesson in doing biz in the *real* virtual world. If I'm giving them more credit then they're due (and they were scammers), then they deserve to not only have this outrageous reneg shoved up their asses, someone should nail a board across it after. In no way of looking at it, did they deserve a share of your lindies.
When we book a musician, we prepare a booking slip for the venue owner to approve. It includes fee information as well as tip guarantee and tip split information. So all that is CLEAR up front. No venue gives a tip guarantee anymore (at least I haven't come across one in ages), and some of our artist don't split tips (tho tipping a portion back to the venue is real commonplace) these things are STILL covered on the booking slip so there are NO misunderstanding at show time.
*big hugs* to you sweetie . . .and remember when shit like this happens, there are folks out there who think they can make stuff up as they go . . . you just gotta say no. The worst they can do is not ask you back to play at their venue again. And even if they did, I sure hope you'd tell them no anyways (and hopefully with the appropriate Zak quote).
PS To any novice reading this thread: This sort of thing is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN standard practice among venues. Tip sharing is not uncommon, but it's ALWAYS agreed when the show is booked and it's extremely rare on a tips only show!!!
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Jasmine Usher
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your support. I do believe in giving back to the venues but next time I will give because I WANT to not because it obligated or thrown upon me last minute. Yeah I should have given them the bird or laughed my @rse off but my main concern at the time was getting out and enjoying the last bit of sunshine. And that's what I did and I got a song out of it. 
Nothing like turning a negative into a positive. 
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