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DjaiSkjellerup



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Counting attendence.. Reply with quote

Eric posted some comprehensive attendance figures elsewhere on this forum and it got me thinking about a question that's worth asking.

Eric or anyone..do you know an easy and reliable way of counting how many avatars are in attendance either on your own land or someone elses?

I have Mystitool that can count up names of who attended and record them in chat but going through them afterwards is a bit long-winded so if anyone knows a tool or a tip beyond just counting the green dots on the map I think that would be handy.
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Zak Claxton



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I count the green dots on the map. Yup.
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ticious



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have visitor counters imbedded in objects at both my venues.  They give me a tally by day which is delivered to me via IM the following morning, or I can ask the object for an update by clicking on it.  Only I can get the update that way because I own the object the script is in, nothing happens when other folks click it.

This is a pretty nifty doodle little freebie script I picked up.  The avie count is unique avies so as people leave and come back they're not double counted.  I believe (though I'm not sure) it's a rolling 100, so someone might be double counted if they left and came back after 99 other people had come in.  I don't put a lot of worry in that small discrepancy however.

It has some neat features.  For instance, I can tell it what range to scan and how often to scan (to minimize lag, I have it scan only once every 60 seconds) as well as when and how often to send me stats.  Also, I have the hover text turned off, but you can leave it on so people can see the counts.

So I know that I had approximately 211 unique visitors at Rocky Shores on Saturday and approximately 169 unique visitors at Cascadia Harmonics on Sunday and I have those stats in my email for easy access when I work up my monthly reports.  It doesn't give me counts by hour, but I don't feel I need counts by hour.  It's entirely possible that it includes this funcitonality, I just haven't tried to do that.

I used to keep stats like those Eric is keeping, but stopped a long time ago as it's very time consuming (I got them from the Map and manually entered them to a spreadsheet), was a major distraction from my hosting duties and it was pretty error prone (mostly because of the manual effort invovled and being distracted by my guests and musicians) and imo, it's not as meaningful as the daily head count since I had no real idea of how many avies actually visited the venue.  Of course, it was handy for tracking how each performer was drawing, but my eyes (and transaction record) kinda let me in on that info.

The script has some other features that I haven't explored.  It's a freebie and I think it has transfer perms (I'll have to double check that), so if anyone wants a copy, just im me in world.

Edited to add:  Btw, this is how I'm able to come up with stats regarding what percent of my audience tips the venue.  I just count the names in my transaction history for the time period and divide it by the head count from the script.
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Slim Warrior



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One way of checking how many on a sim is to have your stats  box up.. it will give you a count of how many in that region.. it does take up a nice chunk of your left side of screen but pretty useful for watching what goes on.
Do bear in mind it will not give amount of avs for one plot, but for the whole sim.. if you want something more specific then  use a hud or  visitor counter
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Doubledown Tandino



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the best item to get for this:

"SL Promoter 2.0" - mod/copy/no trans    about $500L
tell him Doubledown sent ya or you may not get the copyable version

besides this having the feature of being able to give out a notecard and LM to anyone within proximity, you can also have it not give anything if out,  but it will still log and list every name in attendance.
with the command /999 report, it will list everyone that showed up at the show.  I usually press /999 report on mine before my show ends, so I can read off the list of the crowd members to thank.

This is the thing you need... and plus there's extra features you'll find useful.

I also have advanced scripts Ive create to produce more advanced stats:
average stay time,  
longest visit,  
longest stay time,  
which avatars produced how many points on your land traffic
which direction was the most looked direction
who offered TPs to friends, and how many arrived

I'm heavy heavy into SL marketing, and lots of analyzing stats is very useful..... for different reasons...  in RL, these sorts of stats would be recorded.   I feel it's one of the most important things to discover your demographic.. and what forms of promotion are effective and are not.

These scripts are my babies....   probably one of the most important things to me in SL i worked on for months..   So I don't sell them,  I dont offer em... instead I offer my service to come over several occasions and give an appraisal...  give stats, along with aconsultation on what to do to improve.   You can tell me what stats you want me to gather, and I can work my scripts to see how what various advanced stats I can do.   I have a lot of different things I can pull statwise.
So, generally, this takes time and effort... but I'm also willing to come by to some of your shows just as a freebie if you're curious to know some random stats you may need to know....  once I have a few success testimonals, I'll start charging.

... by the way....   my one other baby is a program run on a shoutcast server that will be able to detect the bpm of a live stream, and cause animations and scripts to operate on BPM!!!!   Imagine dancing at a live event, fast song, and you're jammin all over to thebeat groovin... then a slow song comes on and your dancing slooows down.
soo that's my other baby which is almost complete.... which is the ability for SL to recognize BPM from a stream.
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Norris Shepherd



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What i do sometimes is enter the address of my stream (or the stream I am using) into an internet explorer or firefox window.  ex:  (http://www.streamserver.com:22800 placed into the address field).  

This displays the number curently listening to the stream.  Just hit 'refresh' and it updates the total.

I use double monitors, so it's not too bad and doesn't take up any SL window space.

I check sometimes out of curiosity... and othertimes, I don't want to know how few people are there... Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norris Shepherd wrote:
This displays the number curently listening to the stream.  Just hit 'refresh' and it updates the total.


See, that's a REALLY valuable piece of info. The listener count is what you really want to know anyway.

Good idea.
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Doubledown Tandino



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, that's definitely the best accurate on the spot info is checking out your stream server status.   keep the link up before the show, and click refresh.   There's your listener count on the spot.

When you need to start building lists of visitors, how many times they've come to your shows, how long they've stayed, what venue is your best venue to perform at, things like that..., then I'm here for ya.


EDIT:  i hope no one replies to me with the fear that i can spy on what they do... truth is, I can.  If I wanted, I could tell a performer who is their most frequent fan, who stays the longest, who chats the most,... there's some privacy issues here.  And in good faith, I'm not divuling any personal infomation about anyone's activities to anyone.

Doubleedit... in regards to Creativemindz posting his avatar stats, he may have used a stat recording device.   but im guessing it's as simple as opening the map and looking how many the avatar count is.   scroll your mouse over the green dots, and it'll tell you how many are in the sim.
So,   3pm, open map, check it out, make a note
330 open map, make note
etcetc
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RayW



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norris Shepherd wrote:
What i do sometimes is enter the address of my stream (or the stream I am using) into an internet explorer or firefox window.  ex:  (http://www.streamserver.com:22800 placed into the address field).


SimpleCast hast a nice running graph that displays the listener count over an hour as a chart.  This is handy for a quick look to see what's up (or down) with the listener count.  Also has the max count for the session.

It's usually behind me, on the other PC --- the live SL curcuit is on the PC in front of me.  So, even though it's a realtime display ... I have to take a "break" from the action to see it.  Haven't tried to stor it (at least could do a screen capture at the end of the set).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone's stream stats offer options like:

IP numbers connected
Name of the computer connected
Location of the person connected

things along those lines.   I'm curious.  I actually own the server so I can see all that,    but I'm asking to people that have administration access to rented streams:   do you have stats you can view like this?

I think what I'm trying to say, is yes,  I think anyone that has administration control panel access to the streams they use, I do believe you can log in to the stream as an admin and collect a wide range of important stats.
It's charts and graphs and stuff.    so, I'm curious, do people that can log into their stream's administration pages see all those extra stats and info?
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