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ticious
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 Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Based on what I've read in other forums, what people have told me they do, and on what I do myself, it's not SOME folks who turn their player off, it's MOST folks. Jumping from store, walking from parcel to parcel, you never know what you're gonna get hit with. When I"m not on my own parcel or a venue parcel, I'm listening to mp3s. Often, at friends' houses, I'm listening to mp3s.
Until I read Ursula's post above, every time I had ever visited Blaze (the store, not the venue) I was already listening to an mp3. I had no idea SL Live Music Radio was playing there (and I was a regular shopper at Blaze even before I heard of SL music). If there are signs, I probably walked right past them into the store before they rezzed. Now, if I'd have thought about it at all, it wouldn't have been real hard for me to guess that Blaze would be playing Cher's station. But I'm gonna guess that most folks coming to Blaze are more like me than they are like the people who asked Ursula who was singing.
What am I saying here? I'm saying that I don't think malls or big stores are the best avenue for this promotion. People are focused on shopping when they go to these places and they're mostly gonna walk right past all those kiosks on their way to the lingerie section. The best places for promotion are the place where people PLAY!! No, I don't mean music venues (that's kinda like carrying coals to Newcastle), I mean where they play games, ride horses, take walks, admire the art, do battle, have sex, navigate mazes, etc., etc., etc..
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Soundcircel Flanagan
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Ursula Cinquetti
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm saying that I don't think malls or big stores are the best avenue for this promotion. |
Probably not, but if two or three or more customers are asking me each day, it can't hurt. |
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RayW
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Silas Scarborough wrote: | | Maybe I'm all wet but I don't think you can solve the problem unless you're clear on what it is. This question also still stands: what specifically are you trying to accomplish with these radio stations? |
Sadly, I agree with Silas. However, it does have its usefulness... if people know about it. It's a great way to promote SL music ... without the commercial big guys flooding the Indies out.
I think it would be super-grand if every song had a short intro so you knew who you where listening to and maybe want to catch one of their sets (although many are recognizable if you've been to one of their sets  ).
Financially, RL radio stations at least make money off of their advertising. And, Public Radio gets listener and Grant support. So, what's the model and goal here?
Another thing Silas's comment brings to mind is that I usually tune into stations based on their content ... like a discussion or maybe I like to hear the ramblings of the DJs between songs. If a radio station is only playing artist submissions, maybe it's like a form of Indie Muzak. It just depends on "what specifically are you trying to accomplish."
I know there are other things going on here. But, forgetting all that, these are interesting questions. And, the artists should know what the missions of the stations are and decide if they want their music played there or not.
Lastly ... thank you, all of you, who provide broadcast of SL music so that it's at least available to be heard (regardless of whether anyone is REALLY listening  )
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Soundcircel Flanagan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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i dont get it ?
/me is confussed
we have SL radio stations that play OUR music.
and we wonder what is the use ???
On other topics we talk about we need to promote SL music more,
and here we have stations that are promoting us ?
They might not mention our names, they might not give details.
But people hear it.....
Are Members here using those stations ?
Are venues putting them in when there is no life music ?
Do you listen yourself ?
I dont care about finance or goals or plans.
I listen,
i put it in when im done DJ-ing or after Life Shows.
The rest is not my problem.....
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ticious
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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I completely agree with you, Ursula. My only point was that playing SL Live Music Radio at a store or mall may not be the most effective places in terms of increasing listenership. But that said, I sure didn't mean it wasn't a good idea or that there's any harm in it!!! Just some other kinds of places might be more effective.
To answer your question, Sound, SL Live Music Radio plays on all my parcels, including both venues, when there's no show going on and I have Fox's radio kiosks at all my public builds, which includes both my venues, my little store at the College of Second Knowledge and the new music intro center I'll be opening soon.
It may be carrying coals to Newcastle, but hell, that don't make it a bad thing and it's what I can do  !
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Cher Harrington
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Let's not forget the vision:
Ham Rambler (PickSL Dublin Services): "Through Dublin in Second Life and PicksSL, I have worked tirelessly with the Live Music Community to raise their profile. Hosting SL Live Radio is my way of meeting a commitment I made to the Musicians at SLCC to promote their music and artistry within and outside Second Life."
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Silas Scarborough
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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No-one's got a concern with vision but I'm seeing questions on the implementation. I've pounded on theme stations a lot and others have their own thoughts.
I don't believe that presenting a radio station with live SL jammers will work. I know I can't use it at the Ballroom because it's not what people want. The music that I enjoy at times and most visitors there seem to enjoy is pop romance stuff. I would love to be presenting live jammers there on the radio stream but I need a consistent theme and I suspect that others would be receptive to that as well.
For example, Kim is fantastic but I couldn't even use all of her stuff there as she presents a wide array of tunes and I could mostly only use the mushy ones at the Ballroom. I hope you're seeing what I mean, that this has nothing to do with acoustic versus electric but rather in content. A nice combination with Kim's sweet-sounding ones might be Picker Apogee as that could flow quite well and much of his stuff has a sweet romantic vibe to it.
The flow is what I'm talking about and it's the reason I've been reluctant to send many of my tunes to the stations. They wouldn't even remotely fit with most of what goes on in SL and I can't see how it could be anything but jangly for a listener to go from sweet acoustic jams straight to me bouncing a guitar off the wall. I know that doing it in gigs as I've cleared many a sim by following an acoustic act. The people leave.
I guess you're probably running your stations off iTunes so you could easily set up themed shows with playlists. You wouldn't need multiple streams as you could have Jazz afternoon, piano jams, late rock show, etc., etc. All you'd need would be to switch the playlist once in a while.
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Fox_Reinsch
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: How about this? |
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What if LL put this on the login screen?
"Did you know you can listen to artists that peform live in SL from you desk at work in RL when your not in-world?"
They could link it to a secondlife.com page that lists the SL radio stations.
This would not only promote live music in SL it would promote Linden Labs and SL.
How do we get to their marketing department to make that happen?
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