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Soundcircel Flanagan
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ticious
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Please don't take my post the wrong way (in re-reading, I realize it can be taken VERY badly).
Live music in SL is VERY important to me and my Second Life would be devastated if it were to go away. I fully intend to do everything I can to keep it alive and help it grow. I'm just trying to point out what it looks like from LL's perspective. It's big to us, very big to us. But not so much so to them. That doesn't mean we should give up, it means we should try harder and we probably need to look to ourselves, not to the Lindens. At least for now, we're the ones that care enough to open our wallets.
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Silas Scarborough
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Lindens build the infrastructure and residents build the city. They're not going to pony up a dime and why should they.
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Kim Seifert
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Would be great if LL were responsible. Again, I just don't think they are.
Consider this scenario. A developer decides to build a strip mall. He builds four spaces of varying size and whatnot, makes sure it is all wired, cables going to each space, etc., sets it up to lease out. A tanning store leases one, insurance agency gets another, irish pub moves into one and an individual gets the last one. They all pay their lease amounts to the owner of the building who built and provided the cables and wires for all of these folks to hook their "stuff" into to run their businesses. They are all allowed to do their thing whether that be providing live music, licquor, or just sitting in the middle of their rented space and locking it so no one comes in.
So here is my question. Each place requires different sets of licenses and insurance policies, etc. Who is responsible for obtaining those licenses? The owner of building? Or the lessees?
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Soundcircel Flanagan
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Kim Seifert
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It is the same here Sound. And that is the point I wanted to make. LL is renting out pieces of their servers to us to use as we like and they give us a great amount of control over how we use it, to the point of even allowing us to deny access to that rented piece of server to anyone but ourselves. They provide the framework, or the "wires," but we put in the urls of streams, or "radios."
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Distilled1
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Kim that makes all the sense in the world, just like renting server space for a web site a host etc.
A Question I brought up in that other thread, if this is so and my land is group deeded to the company that holds a blanket license, then any sound on that land "rented server space" should be covered or the stream that also has a license., if the said land is said web sites virtual land?
like the Prof. said its all so new, that there are no RL laws that fit and or maybe they do but it will take courts to decide. (and Prof. Great notes, ideas and comments on that one ) its the same still with the internet in genral (or 3.0 you tube and the like, those cases are just starting, and so far its working in our favor (our I mean people playing live covers of music and posting for free) but that is likely to change if people do not get involved and get informed.
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ticious
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| Distilled1 wrote: | | A Question I brought up in that other thread, if this is so and my land is group deeded to the company that holds a blanket license, then any sound on that land "rented server space" should be covered or the stream that also has a license., if the said land is said web sites virtual land? |
Based on reading all the way through this, though Kim's anolgy to a mall is excellent, I don't think the responsible body is the land, or the group that owns the land. We're still not talking about real estate. We're talking about the stream. In this context, I suspect the parcel on the SL grid would simply be a listener, though it may be seen as a pass through to other listeners. The content provider is the person or entity controlling the stream.
So, using Kim's analogy, the stream provider is the Mall Owner, the stream renter is the business responsible for the licensing. This would mean that it makes no difference who owns the parcel.
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Kim Seifert
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Actually, I believe that LL is the building owner, that the stream url is the "radio station (WKRP in Cincinatti-like)" and the Linden landowner or lessee of a piece of server is the person that puts the radio out in their land or store or club.
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Silas Scarborough
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Agreed. LIndens aren't liable for a dime and a subset of those who are liable is reading this forum.
Carry Kim's metaphor forward and make all of the sections of the mall Irish pubs with different music going. Who knows if they could work an aggregate license for all of them or they would have to be individual.
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