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Fyrm Fouroux
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I have always copyrighted my material using the send it to yourself as registered post and dont open it method but I am interested in what you do. With CATCO do they issue a Barcode and a IRSC (dont really know what these are for)?
I am asking here because I think your answer might be interesting at all SL musicians who do originals. |
Djai I don't think there is a quick answer to your query, but I'll try and say a couple of useful things in terms of UK copyright issues.
Firstly let me say something about ISRC. The ISRC (International Standard Recording Code) is the international identification system for sound recordings and music videorecordings. Each ISRC is a unique and permanent identifier for a specific recording which can be permanently encoded into a product as its digital fingerprint. Encoded ISRC provide the means to automatically identify recordings for royalty payments.
In the UK, the body to get in touch with about ISRC codes is CATCO:
http://www.catcouk.com/ppl/catco.nsf/catcohome
I'm not sure who you go to if you are not a music publisher in order to get an ISRC code issued. But CATCO could probably advise on that. I have a small music publishing company called Lewis Music and I have the power to issue unique ISRC codes for my material and register it with the London-based CATCO database.
One organisation you might like to check out is AIM (Association of Independent Music). Again, they are based in London (well, Chiswick, actually). It costs to belong to AIM but they do have a lot of info for their members. Their website is:
http://www.musicindie.org/
Now I come to the issue of barcodes. There is an incredible amount of confusion about barcodes and mp3s. Barcodes are unique numbers that identify products. They work just fine for CDs where there is tangible product that can be flashed under a barcode reader. The reason why I was advised to use barcodes with my mp3s was that download chart compilers apparently use barcode information, not ISRC codes. I followed this advice (which I am now no longer sure was very sound) and bought a stack of barcodes through my company Lewis Music. If you want to know about bar codes, the agency that handles all the bar codes issued in the UK is GS1 UK:
http://www.gs1uk.org/
I went to a workshop in current issues in the digital music business that was set up by AIM in London about six months ago. I came away feeling that I knew just about as much as most of the companies there about the barcode and mp3 issue. There is a problem with mp3 headers, such that while there is an official ISRC field in the header, there is no formally defined barcode field in ID3 tag version 2.3 (or 2.4, I am fairly sure). None of the UK authorities I approached were able to tell me how to resolve this problem. The solution I opted for was to define a header field for myself. The ID3 site is as follows:
http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0
I use Mp3tag to edit (and define) my headers:
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
My thinking at present is that it probably has not been worthwhile putting the barcodes in (and purchasing them) but at the time I was acting on very fuzzy informal advice based on phone conversations with the folks at CATCO and AIM.
The whole thing seems pretty complex; I have never found it easy to get my head around it. But if you want to sort out your own material, you should be able to get started down the road if you research the links I have provided here. I am not looking to publish anyone elses material through my company Lewis Music, at present. I am heavily involved in a number of creative projects that have nothing to do with Second Life, and I just would not have the time to devote to it. But I wish you well in what might be regarded as the big adventure into the copyright jungle. 
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Soundcircel Flanagan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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/me steps in again cause he doesnt understand it
so if i understand it correctly, the stream owner is liable ?
i don't believe that ?
sounds really weird.
think about it ?
maybe this works with applications that can be controlled, like youtube or P2P sites ( allthough it would be hard to do )
but a stream owner has NO control over the content.
i could sign a contract with them where i promise that i dont do anything to inflict with copyrights, but as soon as i start streaming i could do anything i want......
they are just providing a service, you cant blame the guy that sell a hammer that you can use it to slam somebody in the face.
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Kim Seifert
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Sound. Stream owner as we have used it means the person who owns (and uses) or rents the stream from a stream provider. For instance, I rent a stream from an entity. I use the stream how I see fit, I control the password, who uses it, etc. I am responsible just as a real life music venue would be responsible. It is essentially a stage and I have the keys to open the door to the hall. However, the entity I rented it from (the actual owner of the stream) is not liable. So in strict terms, the stream owner is liable unless he rents the stream to someone else and then in that case, the stream renter is liable. I have been using the term "stream owner" pretty loosely and had not clearly defined how I was using it causing confusion.
Edited: Perhaps a better term to use would be "stream controller," whether that be a "using" owner or a renter.
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ticious
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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And as the guy who rents the stream, yes, I do have control. If you get on the stream and do something contrary to what we agreed, I have the ability, with a single click, to shut you down. If I'm not given this authority by my provider (the stream owner from whom I rent the stream), I might have some legal recourse or it might just be a case where I should find myself a different provider who WILL give me the tools I need to protect myself.
Speaking strictly my case and the stream I rent from the provider I rent it from, yes, I have this access.
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ticious
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There is definitely potential that that could become a much less amicible situation than it has been in the past.
But I'll tell ya what my guess is. This whole topic will once again die down and we'll have this same conversation again in a few months.
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