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ticious
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When Nad is working on tracks, I often don't recognize what the song is until I he either sings to them or he tells me. When he tells me, then the words come to my head and it all falls into place. Now it must be borne in mind that I'm talking about pop songs here for the most part. He has some great instrumentals that I recognize right off. As do several other SL musicians.
/me wanders off back to the party pondering this.
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| torben asp wrote: | | "Da Da Da - Ich Liebe Dich nicht, Du liebst Mich nicht - Aha"... |
Man, I was in France when that hit the charts. Every boombox played the tune and there were lotsa boomboxes around, 'cause the weather was excellent.
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Long ago aliens came here, captured some apes and bent their (the apes) chromosomes a modicumagement enough to give them some slight intelligence. These workers were used primarily to do agricultural tasks. They were trained to respond to repetitive sing-song note sequences and lyrics. The worker apes responded quite well to them. They went about their tasks happily, and eventually learned to mimic (this is what apes do best maybe) the "catchy" tunes that captivated their attention. Knowing this will help you write music that captivates an audience. A tin foil hat will protect you from being captivated.
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Silas Scarborough
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| ticious wrote: | When Nad is working on tracks, I often don't recognize what the song is until I he either sings to them or he tells me. When he tells me, then the words come to my head and it all falls into place. Now it must be borne in mind that I'm talking about pop songs here for the most part. He has some great instrumentals that I recognize right off. As do several other SL musicians.
/me wanders off back to the party pondering this. |
Yah but any tune is an instrumental if you take the vocal line and play it on something else. I'm betting if he played the vocal line rather than sang it, you'd still recognize the song but you may or may not if you only hear the chords. I'd also bet if he only played the vocal line or the melody line from whichever instrument and didn't play anything else, it'd be "Name That Tune" and you'd get it in five notes or less.
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Considering that we, by defintion, always experience only a fraction of what there is to experience, lyrics about tiny details can be ever so cool.
Check this tune, for instance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zpEVXWrF20
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Now you're talking hexx! "O Caroline" is one of my all time favourite songs. Come to think of it, the whole "Canterbury Scene" (Soft Machine, Caravan, Hatfield & The North, Matching Mole etc.) seemed to be based as much on mundane everyday lyrics, as great musicianship.
I think I'll have to wait a long time for another thread mentioning one of my heroes Robert Wyatt, so at the risking of going OT, can I sneak this in as being an example of something that is excellent in many ways?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cWq3mIp4cU
Robert also demonstrates the use of voice as an instrument as against a means of conveying lyrics.
Sorry for the jazzy digression....back to Sucky Rock Lyrics....
Toby
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But to take the digression a little further while you are looking at Robert Wyatt on youtube have a look for his cover of the amazing Elvis Costello song "Shipbuilding" which I have been working on to include in my "one cover version per show" policy. It's only this song that I know Robert Wyatt for.
This is a deep, thoughtful and overtly political lyric which I think is one of the best ever written (certainly Costello rated it as his best ever) and there it is in a canon of work of an artist you have cited for doing the opposite. I am not pointing this out to say you are wrong but just that I think the best artists employ both approaches to lyrics.
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| Toby Lancaster wrote: |
Sorry for the jazzy digression....back to Sucky Rock Lyrics....
Toby |
This thread is unjackable...goes wherever anyone wants to take it.
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| DjaiSkjellerup wrote: | But to take the digression a little further while you are looking at Robert Wyatt on youtube have a look for his cover of the amazing Elvis Costello song "Shipbuilding" which I have been working on to include in my "one cover version per show" policy. It's only this song that I know Robert Wyatt for.
This is a deep, thoughtful and overtly political lyric which I think is one of the best ever written (certainly Costello rated it as his best ever) and there it is in a canon of work of an artist you have cited for doing the opposite. I am not pointing this out to say you are wrong but just that I think the best artists employ both approaches to lyrics. |
"Goon Squad" by Costello is something I like a lot and for pretty much the same reasons. I've got to say I liked the melody before I ever knew what the words were, tho. It's got a good beat and you can dance to it. I'm not trying to trivialize it as what I'm seeing in me is that hook has to be there and I'll probably never get to the lyrics if it's not.
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