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Song Clanger · Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Texas

Ok I will make this as simple as possible (I hope). I am trying to help a friend get setup to stream. I successfully stream, but to be honest I know one way of doing it that works for me and am not sure about alternatives. Here is my setup and how I do it. I am hoping for comments on what she might try:

Line6 USB Toneport box plugs into USB on PC for mixing/effects
Analog line outs run from the toneport to the PC soundcard input
Simplecast takes the output from the soundcard and relays to shoutcast and I am in SL

Very simple setup and works fine for me. Here is her setup:

USB mixer plugs into USB on her PC

That is really as far as she has gotten. She does not have a cable that is running into her soundcard and as far as I know Simplecast only picks up the soundcard as an output. She has Winamp with the DSP plugin, but as far as I know the only choices there for outputs are soundcard and Winamp itself.

So the main question is--if she has her USB mixer plugged into her PC how does she get that internal signal from the PC into shoutcast? Is there another program that can do that? Or does she have to do what I do and link the mixer to her soundcard input?

I think we are looking for a way to bypass that if possible.

Thanks for any help

RayW · Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 563 Location: Twin Cities, MN

OK... this isn't much help. But, I ran into this, too. No software (other than my high end recording software) recognized the USB input. I HAD to use the sound card before Simplecast (or Winamp, ftm) would see it.

However, it may just be a driver setup issue, too. Not sure (that's why I'm not much help) because I gave-up too easily just to make the fool thing work.

EDIT: The thing I didn't pursue enough was seeing what was in the dropdowns on the Control Panel / Sounds and Audio Devices / Audio Tab. The Sounds Recording device selection is rather important, as well as the "sources" that show up in the Play Control (right click on Volume icon, select adjust audio properties). Clicking on the Options in the menu, properties brings up a box that lists all the sources your PC knows about. One of them may be unchecked. So, nothing will come from it. (Here's where I a little foggy on all the possibilities.)
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Song Clanger · Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Texas

Ok we have one vote that you HAVE to go to the soundcard. Anyone else know of a different way?

Zak Claxton · Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Posts: 2008 Location: Podul/33/243/154/

I'm a Mac guy (hello, I'm a Mac), and the ONLY way I connect audio to my Mac is via USB (using my Digidesign audio interface). I'm not going to be much help here.

However, it's been my experience that you absolutely need to tell the software where to look for the audio signal. But since I'm absolutely retarded when it comes to PCs, I can't tell you how to go about doing that.

Glad I could... help? Smile

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BabbleGrabble · Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 589 Location: San Francisco

I am going to repeat something I wrote in another thread that might be of use:

"... go into the Playback options for Volume Control (Windows) and uncheck the "Mute" for Microphone and virtually everything else.

"Then (also in Volume Control) under Options > Properties, select the "Recording" option under "Adjust volume for" and OK. Here, make sure the first option is checked instead of Microphone (it says "Stereo Mix" on my PC here, but it is called something different at home, and I've seen other names listed on forums, but I believe it is always the first choice, not selected by default - Microphone is the default, which does not incorporate other sources)."

I am looking into getting a TonePort - which model is this? Are you happy with it?

Song Clanger · Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Texas

So babble what do you use to actually do the streaming? You are saying if you do what you indicate and then use Simplecast for instance that it will treat that as the soundcard output?

I have the Toneport KB37. http://www.line6.com/toneportkb37/

All I can say is it does what I need it to which is provide basic effects and inputs and a simple keyboard midi trigger thing. It is easy to use. But I have very little experience with anything else. Just a electronic newb here. I have had a couple toneports and they do what they advertise.

BabbleGrabble · Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 589 Location: San Francisco

That's the same one I've been looking at, but have also been considering the next step down (w/o the keyboard). I've heard some really nice guitar effects out of an earlier model.

I use SAM for streaming, which I imagine has its own peculiarities in its configuration, but I can track down that whole post if it seems like it might be helpful.

EDIT: found it - here's the post:
http://slmc.myfastforum.org/about460.html#4688

Song Clanger · Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Texas

Sure it would be great to get any more info. One thing about the keyboard model is it is bulky. I have limited space and it has to sit over on my bed. The smaller units have a much smaller footprint. But I needed a keyboard for some basic stuff.

I do get some reasonable tones out of the thing regarding reverb and such. I think for the fairly reasonble cost it is a decent product.

Oh, set up can be a bit wonky on it as far as drivers and such. And I had a specific issue on the USB controller on my Dell and had to buy a seperate USB card for it to work, but that was a Dell thing.

I think Simplecast is a stripped down SAM bascially. So on your setup, do you have the sound OUTPUT going to soundcard? Or does it actually say something else on the output like USB or whatever? From your instructions it sounds as if adjusting Windows to take a sound output and route it to the soundcard so to speak?

BabbleGrabble · Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 589 Location: San Francisco

Oops, you beat me to the post ... here's the link again:
http://slmc.myfastforum.org/about460.html#4688

Yes, I output directly to the soundcard and do not use a USB port, so I don't know if this will help or not. But possibly enabling everything in the Windows Playback settings will get the signal included in the stream.

I will have direct experience with your situation as soon as I pick up a TonePort. Wink

Thanks for the info.

EDIT: sorry, I linked to an earlier post - the link is fixed now.

BabbleGrabble · Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 589 Location: San Francisco

Was there any resolution to this Song Clanger? I finally picked up some new equipment (although I did not end up with a TonePort) and am facing a very similar problem.

The only fix I've found is to output the USB hardware to the sound card, which is not ideal. The other thing I looked at was "Virtual Audio Cable" ("VAC") to link between softare apps, but I am using Pro Tools for processing / mixing and can't figure out how to assign its output to a VAC (although it's easy to set up in SAM).
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