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Abbaca Aoi · Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 13 Location: USA

Here are the distilled notes from the meeting.

Group Meet - Sunday, Sept. 16, 2007

Today several of us met at my place - Abbacadabra, and chatted. Those present were InfectionMusic Raymaker, Kaklick Martin, Harmony Patel, Dizzy Banjo, BlueWall Slade, and Abbaca Aoi. We had a great time, lots of laughs, and some good ideas were presented. These conversations were edited and the main points distilled. You will have to be there if you want to catch all the laughs and fun ! Sorry you all missed it! Abbaca

Dizzy has a great blog and he has posted this on his blog too as well as a photo. Check it out.
http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/2...-folks-group-to-enter-second-life

Intro:

[11:21] InfectionMusic Raymaker: (sitting on a chair) this thing is killing my back
[11:21] Kaklick Martin: (laugh out loud)
[11:21] Abbaca Aoi: lol
[11:21] InfectionMusic Raymaker: (gets up out of the chairs and sits at Kaklick's feet) better
[11:21] Abbaca Aoi: talk about in your face, haha
[11:21] InfectionMusic Raymaker: I need tea.
[11:21] Abbaca Aoi: sorry we only have coffee
[11:25] InfectionMusic Raymaker: service in here is a bit slow...
[11:25] Abbaca Aoi: lol
[11:25] InfectionMusic Raymaker shouts: WAITER!!!

Kaklick talks about the Just Plain Folks organization and suggests it as a possibility for the SL musician's umbrella group.

Kaklick will write up this idea in more detail to present to the list. (note his post 9-17-07 on Sub-group communication)

[11:21] Kaklick Martin: There is a RL org called Just PLain Folks http://jpfolks.org

[11:23] Kaklick Martin: and the whole idea is to get people from all walks of the music industry to get together in an open even playing field and network, cross pollinate and get together
[11:23] Abbaca Aoi: you have it divided into logical sections but they are all part of one big group
[11:25] Kaklick Martin: and with all this activity w/ the forums and list I felt it might be good to just use that as an umbrella
[11:26] Kaklick Martin: and maybe model it on some of the activities they do
[11:26] Kaklick Martin: some of the bigger "chapters" have regular get togethers and showcases
[11:26] Kaklick Martin: and IRL the founder goes out and does road trips
[11:27] Kaklick Martin: where they do showcases (usually limited to 1 song ea)
[11:27] Kaklick Martin: but I've always got the feeling the main thing was the networking
[11:28] InfectionMusic Raymaker: depends if the networking produces useful results
[11:28] Kaklick Martin: well, yeah, that's always the question
[11:34] Kaklick Martin: even if it's just a landing point group for JPF folks coming in world it'll be worth doing
[11:36] Kaklick Martin: I just felt the time was right to try that since I really do think the group has goals that are aligned with what we're trying to accomplish
[11:37] Kaklick Martin: the closest groups I can think of to being worth an ubrella status would be LME or maybe Independant Musicians, but they leave out the DJs
[11:38] Kaklick Martin: this wouldn't want to be for the announcements
[11:39] Abbaca Aoi: one umbrella group for all musicians
[11:39] Abbaca Aoi: and one for announcements
[11:39] Kaklick Martin: for shows - I'd like to keep the Notice traffic down to maybe JPF functions
[11:41] Kaklick Martin: and beyond that, I hope it's useful in the "cause"
[11:44] Kaklick Martin: it'd be like a more organized open mic, and let club owners and musicians get together and check each other out w/o some of the "stuff"
[11:47] Kaklick Martin: I want to be clear - I don't "own" JPF, I just am trying to start a chapter here

Dizzy joins us a little later but here is some of the conversation on the umbrella group idea, and Kaklick has a great idea on the use of Group Roles to get different IMs and Notices.

[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: Dizzy, what do you think about having ONE umbrella musician group...
[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: and then an Annoucements group
[11:58] Dizzy Banjo: yeh i think its good to have one group for musicians
[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: or at least one umbrella musicians group
[11:59] Dizzy Banjo: i think people will be very choosy .. about running out of slots
[11:59] Dizzy Banjo: i think its just good to concentrate groups on specific things
[12:03] Kaklick Martin: it's too bad you can't use roles to determine SIGs w/in groups that get different IM's and Notices
[12:04] Kaklick Martin: maybe that would be a Linden thing that could help
[12:04] Kaklick Martin: If one group could have Musicians as one role and Venue owners as another and Listeners as another
[12:05] Kaklick Martin: and you could decide which Roles an IM oor notice went out to
[12:05] Abbaca Aoi: yes well then you would get into who is a musician and who is not, lol
[12:06] Kaklick Martin: I think a lot of folks (esp old folks like me) still think of using multiple groups instead of using roles w/in a group
[12:06] Kaklick Martin: even with the role structure we have now
[12:07] Kaklick Martin: one other thing, is, that back a few months ago we had serious breakage in larger group IMs
[12:07] Kaklick Martin: so I think some of the splinter groups were helping to deal w/ that
[12:08] Abbaca Aoi: I think that is really good thinking !
[12:08] Kaklick Martin: I'll try and get that writen up and posted to the list, forum and Jira

Dizzy Banjo joins the group for a techie discussion including his Metamusic group.

[11:45] InfectionMusic Raymaker: folks, this is dizzy from the Metamusic group
[11:48] Dizzy Banjo: yeh.. i was thinking about metamusic.. that its probably not the right sort of group for lots of live musicians to join
[11:48] Dizzy Banjo: generally i think live music through a landstream works really well in SL
[11:48] InfectionMusic Raymaker: it's more of an arts/ techie group right?
[11:48] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[11:49] Dizzy Banjo: i think i want to concentrate on actual inworld sound
[11:49] Dizzy Banjo: rather than shoutcasted streamed stuff.. which is just the ideal solution for live gigs really
[11:49] Dizzy Banjo: saying that.. im very interesting in jamming technology
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: and how that stuff could be used .. like ninjam.. ejamming etc
[11:50] InfectionMusic Raymaker: feeding SL instruments from the outside world
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: VSTunnel.. etc
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: ive got quite involved with martin at VSTunnel
[11:50] InfectionMusic Raymaker: the big issue I keep reading about is latency and lag
[11:50] Abbaca Aoi: I'm waiting for you guys to make me a synth I can play in SL
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: hmm
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: well i was talking about this with zero linden
[11:50] InfectionMusic Raymaker: making them in RL is easy. It's these bloody virtual instruments that suck
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: he is really into it
[11:51] InfectionMusic Raymaker: excellent
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: i think torley would like it too
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: im trying to build up a bit of a critical mass of people at linden lab who will try to get some cool stuff moving re music in world
[11:51] InfectionMusic Raymaker: so many ideas, so many possibilities - not enough time
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: aric is very interested and has already joined metamusic
[11:52] InfectionMusic Raymaker: is a metamusic meeting scheduled sometime?>
[11:52] Dizzy Banjo: yeh i will organise one once we get a few more people joined up
[11:52] InfectionMusic Raymaker: how many at the moment?
[11:53] Dizzy Banjo: adam ramona, octal kahn who are both great sound artists in SL
[11:54] Dizzy Banjo: aric linden. who used to be a musician and music critic before becoming a linden
[11:54] Abbaca Aoi: he had keyboards you could play and fun stuff
[11:54] Dizzy Banjo: desdemona enfield who is a great audio scripter
[11:55] Dizzy Banjo: kaiser bogomil who is also a great audio scripter
[11:55] Dizzy Banjo: me
[11:55] InfectionMusic Raymaker: and me
[11:56] InfectionMusic Raymaker departs the scene!

Comic Relief:

[11:57] Dizzy Banjo: wow that coffee is seriously black
[11:57] Abbaca Aoi: you must be in the US
[11:57] Abbaca Aoi: the Brits think it is tea
[11:57] Dizzy Banjo: no im in london
[11:57] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[11:57] Abbaca Aoi: oh !!
[11:57] Dizzy Banjo: i dont drink tea though
[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: I can't believe that then!

More tech talk Smile

in-world point source audio

[12:02] Dizzy Banjo: i want metamusic to be something concetrating on delivering 3d point source audio in world and the creative possibilties of that
[12:14] Dizzy Banjo: well the group is called Metamusic.. i think it will mainly be about pushing the boundaries of in world point source audio.. ie.. not landstream music ..
[12:15] Kaklick Martin: I also like the idea of midi input, for things beyond music
[12:15] Dizzy Banjo: yeh that would be awesome
[12:15] Dizzy Banjo: in world synth objects..triggered from clients
[12:16] BlueWall Slade: i would like to see a fast / reliable 2 way comm channel that is generic
[12:16] Dizzy Banjo: yeh.. well.. i had an interesting discussion with zero linden about it
[12:16] Kaklick Martin: you could also use it to trigger lights, animations,etc
[12:16] BlueWall Slade: with enough tools in LSL to make midi/dmx or whatever
[12:16] Kaklick Martin: well, there is already a Midi Show control spec
[12:17] BlueWall Slade: what is point source?
[12:17] Dizzy Banjo: http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/
[12:17] Dizzy Banjo: theres two recent linden office hours discussions on there about it..
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: yeah, i suppose if the comm channel was limited to midi...
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: it would limit other uses without a lot of effort
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: which would probably be a good thing Smile

[12:20] BlueWall Slade: spammers, etc

[12:22] BlueWall Slade: i would like to see a personal media channel
[12:22] BlueWall Slade: to develop things similar to ipods
[12:22] Kaklick Martin: yeah, that's floated through my head a few times too
[12:22] BlueWall Slade: that would help with music distribution
[12:23] BlueWall Slade: it would help from a business standpoint with the avatar density limitations
[12:23] BlueWall Slade: - at events
[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: have you seen the vHud ?
[12:23] Kaklick Martin: it also occurred to me you could do similar by llaunching a small web-client (for audio) w/ auto-play
[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: thats interesting.. that can stream video and audio directly to individual avatars
[12:23] BlueWall Slade: no - i have an e-mail about it, but have been too busy to check it out
[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: i have one on now.. but it only works on silverstream enabled land
[12:24] Kaklick Martin: ahhh
[12:24] Dizzy Banjo: i think that technology will be rolled out soon
[12:26] BlueWall Slade: i think it would need to be open
[12:26] BlueWall Slade: as far as the media standards, etc and not locked into a single company
[12:27] Dizzy Banjo: navillus batra.. over here : http://www.i3dnow.com/
[12:29] BlueWall Slade: ok - i'll have to study it later
[12:29] BlueWall Slade: looks useful

Posted by Kaklick Martin on the list

One of the items we discussed sunday at Abaca's was a thought I had about groups.
Turns out, when I went to Jira to check if it was already there it IS:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-71

If we had sub-group communication channels, it could solve at least part of the group shortage problem and let people deal in a more natural organizational structure. There are several situations where multiple groups get set up in-world, just to be able to separate communications.

Please take a hard look at getting this feature bumped along. I feel it could do some real good.

Text from the existing Jira entry:
"Functionality needed:

Ability to send IMs and/or notices to only people in a specific group role. In many cases roles will be used to differentiate functions in an important social group: in my case I have a category of vendors who may post notices, and very often want to talk to them alone to help them out. Also a role for staff, etc. Having to send irrelevant notices to all isn't workable on a large group, setting up multiple new groups just for these people is wildly unmanageable, and communication channels should be there to allow talking to specific roles only. "
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Jojamela Soon · Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: