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Silas Scarborough



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SL is the best for people who just want to play for their friends and it's likely the worst for what you want to do.

Study the problem you're trying to solve before making your move.  Going directly to Ustream for live video may well serve you better than dorking around with Second Life.

I'm telling you straight that there's little to no audience in SL.  Read the threads and you'll see one after the other of people whining about poor attendance.
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Tishe



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true that there's been a lot of whining about poor audience and audience drop off for live music events over the past year.  Though personally, I've been trying to come up with solutions rather just whining but I do whine real good.  

On the other hand, the night before last, the number of people on online concurrently passed 80k for the first time as far as I know.  Those people are looking for things to do and they're not all there for cyber sex.   Numbers at live music events have been dropping for varied and sundry reasons, some of which we understand, many of which we haven't figured out yet, some of which we may be able to resolve, some of which we'll never resolve.  

But to imply it's an empty waste land suitable only for dorking around with your friends just isn't true.  For one thing, the "friends" that come to my live music events are "friends" I never would have come to know without the live music event to bring us together . . . present company included.

A couple months ago, my "friends" put on a live music show in my honor.  Over the course of the two hours at that event more than 300 people from all over the world came to congratulate me on my successful recovery from my recent surgery.  Three years ago, before I found live music in Second Life, I had maybe six friends in real life and four in Second Life.

Oh, and I'm not even a musician, just a venue owner.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Scott, that does sound interesting.  I know of a couple of him/her teams who banter back and forth while SHE tries to sing tunes.  It can be quite entertaining, as long as HE remains civil.  Laughing

One couple each use their own machines (Mac or PC, I don't know) for their Avatars.  But, he mixes his audio mic into her mixer .. so they both come across on the same stream.

They don't advertise as a couple .. She takes the billing.  He's just along for the ride.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I know who you mean, Ray.  They're a lot of fun to see.  I can't think of their names now.  They're married in RL, but I don't think they're even partnered in SL.  If it's who I'm thinking of anyway.
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scott time



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, say I decided to bring this talk show to SL, what steps should I take to maximize my chances that some people might listen ?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scott time wrote:
So, say I decided to bring this talk show to SL, what steps should I take to maximize my chances that some people might listen ?


Sorry, dude, can't help laughing.  This is where it always ends up and, as you've seen, I tried to skip the hype to get to it.  Be very, very wary of hype from venue owners as they're prob'ly the only ones who can turn people away from watching a dogfight.

Some are trustworthy as in Tishe or Circe Broom but they're in a minority.

Twitter, Facebook, and other social networks are being slammed as a massive pain in the ass, which they are, but they do serve to create a little bit of buzz about what you're doing.  You can draw people into SL with them but beware of how much time it will take to do that.

Avatars United is another social network but that's just the Lindens trying to do something more to make sure no-one ever hears of SL music.

Twitter is prob'ly the only one that gives any kind of value for the time wasted on it.

The external networks are necessary because of the egregiously inadequate search tools in Second Life.  You'll see in the listings for Live Music that there are anywhere up to thirty gigs an hour.  You could list yourself in entertainment and there it's even worse.  Now try searching for something in there.  Unless you know it's there already, you have no chance of finding it.

I get hammered for being negative but of course I'm negative.  The system doesn't feckin' work.  This notification problem has existed for years and the Lindens haven't done a single damn thing to fix it.  The venue owners and I notice even some of the performers have been hyping it as everything's peachy.  Come on in and join the party.  Here's a tip, dude:  it's not a very good party.

So, yah, getting some attention in SL.  That thread goes on and on and on.  No-one has a good answer and you damn sure won't get one from the Lindens.  They're so busy smooching IBM's backside that they don't seem to have time for anything else.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You keep going on about live performances but I'm talking about streaming a prerecorded radio show.  You've sort of hijacked this thread.  I know you're bitter about your experiences but obviously if there's a lot of DJs, some are being listened to.  I just wanted to pick up some pointers, not get into a political discussion, I just don't give a crap about the politics of the situation right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few talk show style music endaevours I can recall, some of which I have taken part in and some I haven't. These are all TV talk shows in that they featured some kind of chat with a performer and then the performer doing a tune or two. I cannot rmember the name of the shows but if you google these folks or ask around you'll probably find something. Off the top of my head the people doing them have been...

Twstd Ruggles - Prerecorded TV show
Swina Allen - Live show but available for later audio download
Paisley Peebe - Live TV show with later download
Kim Seifert - Prerecord TV show

So now that I have typed this up I've just realsied these are all TV shows and not radio shows.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point about publicity is valid and has nothing to do with politics which you will discover with hilarious irony.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can bring ANYTHING you want into SL, once you understand how to get it here.

What Silas is driving at is how do you get people in to listen to what you are delivering.  Plus, even if you do have a sure fire marketing method, you aren't going to have hundreds of people: there are Sim Limits on how many AVs (and maybe even scripts, soon) can be in any one sim at one time.

I think why it sounds political is that Marketing can be politically motivated: who you know determines how well you're spread around.

If you've been in SL long enough, you know they tell you to join a Group of like-minded people so you can "announce" your Events through Notices or Group Chat.  Well, with all the shows going on at any given moment and the possibility of being in many groups, the hype is getting almost unbareable.  I can hardly stand to be online anymore, unless I leave a bunch on groups (which I really don't want to , but my sanity is at stake).
Oh, there are a few who try to be sensitive to the issue and just make a short IM.  But, they are immediately wiped-out by a 6 line, multiple blank lined IM giving the whole Bio of the the performer or a bunch of cutesie ASCII characters.

So, while you are learning SL, it would be good to figure out how you can best Market your "product."



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